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"Stealing" of non-rivalrous goods? I don't "think" it's not real. I know .
Reread what he called a morally charged, made up term by future monopolists. Stealing. Not distilling, not stealing “non rivalrous goods.” Just stealing. Do you agree with what he actually said?
"Stealing" something you already paid for (tokens), but that you can't have access to(!). And trained on the sum of human knowledge. Training on other model outputs ought to be business as usual, stop using morally charged terms made up by future monopolists: https://thomasdullien.github.io/posts/2026-06-15-rl-economic...
Suppose you hired a consulting firm to write a report, and they delivered the report but not the internal conversations they had when developing it. You exploit a vulnerability in their phone system to get those conversations. You can argue over semantics of whether “theft” is what you did, maybe the right word is “espionage” or “spying”, but that either way we probably agree you are guilty of something? Paying for t…
Whether that violates the ToS is another matter Anthropic is of course free to sue for damages or stop doing business with you.
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They definitely stole the data to make the models, but they do not say that they stole the data to make the models, but they do say that others using their outputs for unauthorized purposes is stealing. Do you see the point?
Crawling the internet and dumping it to disk is not "stealing".
Is this stealing? Is it depriving NYT or publishers/writers from money via lost sales/subs? I don't know, but it certainly could be.
[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/business/media/new-york-t...
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This isn't a safety issue, it's LLM companies trying to be opaque and stop distillation.
By some interpretations protecting your frontier model with strong safeguards from being distilled into an open source model without safeguards is a safety issue.
Closed models are also used for nefarious usage.
"Stealing" something you already paid for (tokens), but that you can't have access to(!). And trained on the sum of human knowledge. Training on other model outputs ought to be business as usual, stop using morally charged terms made up by future monopolists: https://thomasdullien.github.io/posts/2026-06-15-rl-economic...
Suppose you hired a consulting firm to write a report, and they delivered the report but not the internal conversations they had when developing it. You exploit a vulnerability in their phone system to get those conversations. You can argue over semantics of whether “theft” is what you did, maybe the right word is “espionage” or “spying”, but that either way we probably agree you are guilty of something? Paying for t…
Cool find, but can't help myself thinking that registering a domain name and submitting a paper on this to Arxiv is a bit... much. The content here could fit in a tweet or a short blog post as well. Not sure about the scientific novelty here as we're basically poking around the very top layers of someone else's software stack?
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No, we actually don’t all know that.
I'm pretty sure essentially all HN participants understand that the frontier labs indiscriminately sucked up every bit of human output they could, IP and ethical concerns be damned. Some of that cohort may indeed be okay with it, but that doesn't change the facts.
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It’s about being able to change models mid-task. For example, I want to be able to plan using Fable but implement the plan using Sonnet, and that won’t work if this is implemented.
Or even my fable credits run out mid task and need to switch back to opus >.<
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This article shows that when Kimi3's chain of thought is prefilled to match Opus's, the rest of the chain of thoughts Kimi3 outputs very closely aligns with Opus's. That seems strong evidence that Kimi3 is partly a distillation of Opus. And Kimi3 is not a small model. No doubt a lot of hard work went into Kimi, but seems clear that distillation was used effectively as well. (though maybe there's another interpretatio…
Didn’t Kimi3 release a week before opus 5?