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Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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So maybe the problem is that you shouldn’t have self checkout if you cannot do it without immediately being stolen from?

The self-checkout is there because it is cheaper than a cashier.

This is why I use the human-run checkout lines. I want to keep the humans employed.

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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The self-checkout is there because it is cheaper than a cashier.

This is why I use the human-run checkout lines. I want to keep the humans employed.

Our high standard of living is due to machines doing the work rather than humans.

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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I think it's even worse than that. If at some remote possibility that a criminal does get caught and charged with a crime, the prisons are full (37% foreign criminals [0]) so they won't do any prison time, and therefore no justice is served. In fact our prisons are so full, violent criminals are being let out after serving only their half term [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_prison_populati... […

> 37% foreign criminals Why is this statistic relevant?

How is it not relevant in a discussion about crime?

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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I really don't understand why they do trials for this. What would be the failure case for the trial? "We carried out the trial for 6 weeks over X period of time, we arrested Y people, at that rate we've decided this is not compatible with modern liberal democracy, we would've traded a free society for Y+2 arrests over X period but we just didn't quite get there"? As suggested by other people - this is just going to b…

It's to get people used to the idea without giving enough surface area to fight it socially. Same thing happened with the body scanners at airports in the US, now with facial recognition at airports, and a number of other privacy concerns. It's a well-worn and proven playbook.

At first it's a trial, experimental. Then it's standard, but optional and with incentives to do it. Then it's standard but you can opt out and there's lots of signs to tell you how. Slowly they make it more uncomfortable to opt out, and the signs disappear, and they berate you for trying it. Eventually it is no longer legal to opt out.

Any one step is hard to fight back against without looking like a loon to people who don't care about this kind of thing, and over the course of a few years you can take people gently through a process that, had it happened suddenly, would never have succeeded due to pushback.

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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> 37% foreign criminals Why is this statistic relevant?

How is it not relevant in a discussion about crime?

It's isolated and out of context, at the very least it needs an indication of the proportion of foreign born people in London, a major city with a large international population.

At one extreme, if the population of London happened to be almost entirely foreign born then it would seem that UK citizens are working overtime at London crime.

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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post #254

The hubris for surveillance in UK is staggering, what will they do next - roll out the social score system so you'll be banned from taking the tube if you express too much non sanctioned thoughts online?

they already put more people in jail than any other country for expressing the wrong opinions on social networks

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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And the thing that absolutely fucks me off about all of this, is that we don't even get a lawful society in exchange for all of this. On one hand, there's no privacy anywhere. On the other - have your car stolen or a bike? House broken into? Phone snatched out of your hands? Good luck getting anyone to care about this in the slightest. You'd think with all the surveillance tech we'd be living in a nightmare panoptico…

I think it's even worse than that. If at some remote possibility that a criminal does get caught and charged with a crime, the prisons are full (37% foreign criminals [0]) so they won't do any prison time, and therefore no justice is served. In fact our prisons are so full, violent criminals are being let out after serving only their half term [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_prison_populati... […

> violent criminals are being let out after serving only their half term

G20 country prison systems that I'm aware of have early release programs, it's almost a requirement to optimise what space there is for those that most deserve prison.

What's at issue with [1] is where, in actual fact, do a couple of teenagers who nicked a quad bike and likely very unintentionally also'd a manslaughter fall on the "violent criminal" spectrum.

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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I can't speak to other nations, but given the present issues in Britain with two tier policing, they will receive a religious exemption. Which may result in everyone wearing a hijab just for privacy.

Do you have some examples of "two tier policing"?

Ceremonial knives

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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And the thing that absolutely fucks me off about all of this, is that we don't even get a lawful society in exchange for all of this. On one hand, there's no privacy anywhere. On the other - have your car stolen or a bike? House broken into? Phone snatched out of your hands? Good luck getting anyone to care about this in the slightest. You'd think with all the surveillance tech we'd be living in a nightmare panoptico…

It’s illegal to wear a balaclava in Britain while driving an electric motorcycle?

It's this story, I think: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyrwnnqnw0o

They seem to be attacking non-electric cyclists, for fun. Shades of mods and rockers.

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