best solution would be to serve paginated by default but you can change page size in the settings or even enable infinite. whoever really wants infinite can use it, it's just not forced on everyone. sated wolves, intact sheep
The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes
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Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes
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> On the contrary, pagination makes it impossible to keep your place in the list if it changes between page loads. Well, that's obviously false. There are two styles of pagination: https://yourblog.zox/archives?page=4 https://yourblog.zox/archives?before=2019-06-03&count=10 That second style will never change (unless you insert entries into the past). The first style will change. But it hardly makes it impossible to…
The second style makes it impossible to sort by anything other than time.
If it's the only thing you make available. If you want other options you can add other options.
Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes
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For typical social media sites, engagement will pretty much always be proportional to both revenue and cost per user. Either revenue > cost, and the site is incentivized to increase engagement, or revenue < cost and the site dies. There is no middle ground where a site gets a healthy revenue that's greater than its costs, but increasing engagement won't increase revenue. The exceptions are niche sites that do things…
You assume that subscriptions wouldn’t become more common without targeted ads. It’s certainly possible. (I’m not sure if it’s even possible to ban targeted ads, haven’t thought much about it. Perhaps there’s a regulation of commerce angle. I do think that businesses could be forced to provide more clarity about the exchange that’s taking place, the value of the data, how the data is used, and so on.)
So we should ban all ads, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43595269
Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes
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Not only it's unnecessary, it also bad GUI. In apps with infinite scrolling your position doesn't get its own state, so if you eg. go view a post & return to Instagram timeline it opens at the beginning. If you use media more thoughtfully as opposed to mindless scrolling, it just doesn't work. With pagination you could say return to IG after a week, go through 5 pages of whoever you're following, check out a post, go…
They can randomize (with bias for hot/recent content) entries on each page, but paginate them. FOMO will keep people clicking next even once they recognize some entries.
then we pass a law to prevent randomization
Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes
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"Some lawmaker" is democracy. The point is that people are pissed off about the addictive UX, same as cigarettes, and candy. If you want to make a serious argument, just argue that you should be able to opt out, which is an entirely reasonable position.
Democracy is bound by the limits of the Constitution, outside of an amendment or a revolution. (Note that the latter is usually considered a Bad Thing; occasionally it works out for the better, but just as often for the worse.)
the EU doesn't have a constitution
Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes
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Not only it's unnecessary, it also bad GUI. In apps with infinite scrolling your position doesn't get its own state, so if you eg. go view a post & return to Instagram timeline it opens at the beginning. If you use media more thoughtfully as opposed to mindless scrolling, it just doesn't work. With pagination you could say return to IG after a week, go through 5 pages of whoever you're following, check out a post, go…
They can randomize (with bias for hot/recent content) entries on each page, but paginate them. FOMO will keep people clicking next even once they recognize some entries.
I doubt they would do that, it's just weird. But even still knowing how many pages you went through is already good
Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes
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Not only it's unnecessary, it also bad GUI. In apps with infinite scrolling your position doesn't get its own state, so if you eg. go view a post & return to Instagram timeline it opens at the beginning. If you use media more thoughtfully as opposed to mindless scrolling, it just doesn't work. With pagination you could say return to IG after a week, go through 5 pages of whoever you're following, check out a post, go…
Stateless infinite scroll is just lazy/incomplete implementation though - there’s no reason you can’t keep your place via permalink. Just pop the state into history using the uuid of each card as it shows in the viewport, then when the user returns using that url, drop them in at that point in the feed with some reasonable before/after preloaded.
Sure. But thing is a bare competent pagination implementation gets this by default while with infinite scroll it requires extra effort
Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes
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They can randomize (with bias for hot/recent content) entries on each page, but paginate them. FOMO will keep people clicking next even once they recognize some entries.
then we pass a law to prevent randomization
Yep. continue regulation until abuse stops
Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes
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This is a false equivalence. I don't use a product _because_ it's got an endless scroll. I use a product and then they add that "feature" without giving me an option. I would, and have, turned it off when possible. But it's not currently possible to do so on apps like Reddit. In no way is this like yogurt. If I don't like that one yogurt has trace amounts of heroin in it, I can buy a different yogurt. If I don't like…
Fortunately social media contains neither heroin nor nicotine. All clear!
You seem incredibly sure about the health safety of a technology we've had for ~20 years and of which the daily usage has been steadily rising in that time. US kids average 5 hours/day on social media.
By the way heroin use was widespread in the early 1900s, it took decades to regulate it even though the addictive and detrimental effects were very obvious to everyone. And let's not get started on nicotine. See the similarities?
Re: The infinite scroll may become endangered if controversial Calif. law passes
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What's very obviously unnecessary is the need for a law to police this. You can just not use things you don't like. This need to project one's own morality upon others will be the source of endless conflict.
Absolutely. While we're at it, why should asbestos be regulated? You can just not go in buildings that have it.
This is basically the Californian Prop 65 compromise: put up a sign saying the building contains carcinogens, but not actually do anything about them.