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I'm fully prepared to be downvoted into oblivion and called naive or worse, but in the USA we have non-profit organizations. You might have heard of things like the YMCA, BGCA, etc.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7571142 >
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I think you misunderstand, the 3rd space should be at a church. One in my community does this for teens where they just hang out and do homework after school for 2 hours.
My megachurch growing up had all sorts of teen events including sand volleyball in the summer. But there was always this underlying, uncomfortable "threat" that an adult would approach you to talk about your relationship with god or whatever since that's the whole motive of the place existing. If you're not into that, then you feel out of place. Like being a straight guy at a gay bar who's only there for the happy ho…
You were uncomfortable but not forced into traumatic situations. You probably absorbed some sense of morality in line with christian values as well. I imagine you did not sense a threat of someone walking up and offering you adderall or cigarettes. If one of my teens told me that same story I'd be a-ok with it.
My view is if there is no guiding principal the culture will devolve into base behaviors. Especially teenagers without a good capacity for future planning. And that religion is how humans get that job done, warts and all.
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Radical concept: you could provide UBI in the form of housing, food and transportation
What's happens to the price of construction when the state suddenly commissions millions of homes?
Were you under the impression that it would be the opposite?
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The article is drawing a contrast between the market vs the state funding things. Donations are part of the market from that perspective. They don't stem from the state.
You didn't read far enough. > Three: teach the economy to do it on its own. This is the one I actually want. Instead of the state hand-picking which good rooms deserve a cheque, you change the rule underneath, so that the people who would run the rooms can simply afford to. He's talking here about giving people enough economic breathing room that they can afford to donate.
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People below or near the poverty line can occasionally be found volunteering. I think it speaks more about what people value, how they value their time. How many people can’t afford an hour a week? An hour a month? There is almost always some unhealthy activity that takes up at least an hour of your time a month, why not substitute?
i think a big factor is also how you earn your income. if you have a badly paid but regular job and or even if you are unemployed but know that you can't find a job then you can use time when you are not working for other activities. on the other hand if you work as an uber driver or other gig job then every hour on the job counts and you are not going to volunteer time unless you are earning enough so that you feel…
If you start with a dismissive attitude it’s easy to find ways to not have time.
If you start with love: “how could I help? there’s /something/ I can do, right?” then you’ll find the time.
It is truly about what we value.
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i think a big factor is also how you earn your income. if you have a badly paid but regular job and or even if you are unemployed but know that you can't find a job then you can use time when you are not working for other activities. on the other hand if you work as an uber driver or other gig job then every hour on the job counts and you are not going to volunteer time unless you are earning enough so that you feel…
You can take calls for a crisis hotline from your home. There are many activities you can volunteer for short periods. If you start with a dismissive attitude it’s easy to find ways to not have time. If you start with love: “how could I help? there’s /something/ I can do, right?” then you’ll find the time. It is truly about what we value.
and i did mention that things you can do at home are easier to volunteer for because they take less effort. so why do you think my attitude is dismissive?
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You can take calls for a crisis hotline from your home. There are many activities you can volunteer for short periods. If you start with a dismissive attitude it’s easy to find ways to not have time. If you start with love: “how could I help? there’s /something/ I can do, right?” then you’ll find the time. It is truly about what we value.
i actually do a lot of volunteering, so it's not that i am looking for excuses. i just find that for anything i do, i have to be able to focus on it, and if i am struggling to make a living, then i just can't focus on anything else. because whatever i do i am thinking: i should not be spending this time here, i should be looking for work. and i am not just saying that, i am actively experiencing that right now. even…
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i actually do a lot of volunteering, so it's not that i am looking for excuses. i just find that for anything i do, i have to be able to focus on it, and if i am struggling to make a living, then i just can't focus on anything else. because whatever i do i am thinking: i should not be spending this time here, i should be looking for work. and i am not just saying that, i am actively experiencing that right now. even…
I’m sorry if my comment came off poorly. Looking for work is certainly more important. If you can’t take care of yourself, you won’t be able to help anyone else. It’s actually required to put yourself first before you can volunteer.
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7571142 >
they weren't complaining, they were expressing the expectation that their comment would be unpopular and thus downvoted a lot.
If you'd prefer an admonishment which specifically points to that, try: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13213514> or https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14435528>.
You can search/review others yourself with: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...> (dang) or https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...> (sctb) or https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...> (tomhow), with well over 100 examples in that set.
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they weren't complaining, they were expressing the expectation that their comment would be unpopular and thus downvoted a lot.
And that is explicitly what the guidelines are against. If you'd prefer an admonishment which specifically points to that, try: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13213514 > or https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14435528 >. You can search/review others yourself with: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... > (dang) or https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... > (sctb)…
and quite frankly i disagree that asking for explanations when you downvote is the same as complaining about downvotes because that again could have been worded as: "if you disagree please explain". would that make a difference?
the point is just using the word downvote should not be the trigger but how the message is worded overall. there is also a rule about charitable reading. i read that comment and if i ask myself, is that person complaining about downvotes, my reading is, no they are not.
frankly i find people complaining about other people talking about downvotes just as bad. so i think this whole subthread is in violation.
but to end with something constructive, i think a better response to the initial comment would be:
mentioning downvotes triggers people and drags down the quality of discussion (as this thread here now pretty much proves). if you want to express that your opinion is controversial, maybe just state that, or, even better, just leave it out and focus on your actual message, regardless of what you believe others will think of you because that too can distract from the actual discussion that we want to have here (again, this thread is proof of that).