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Emacs 31 is around the corner: The changes I'm daily driving

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Re: Emacs 31 is around the corner: The changes I'm daily driving

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Post by ux266478 »

jjav wrote: post #263
ux266478 wrote: post #179

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I don't like keyboard-centric text editing. Yes GNU Emacs supports the mouse, but just like Vim the experience is miserable. You can spend a lot of time configuring it, but at some point you're just writing extensions of extensions just to get a basic GUI flow that isn't painful, and no matter what it'll never feel quite "right". The program just wasn't built with the idea of a mouse in mind, and bolting it on really…

> I don't like keyboard-centric text editing. Interesting? Unless you're using voice dictation, isn't text editing 100% keyboard based input?

No. Even most keyboard-centric text editors implement mouse inputs, with only a few exceptions coming to mind, almost none of which anybody uses today, for example ed. In fact, most editors don't even restrict text insertion and deletion to keyboard input, which is what you might be confusing with "text editing", which might be more clearly expanded to "operating a text editor".

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Post by koiueo »

iLemming wrote: post #275
koiueo wrote: post #239

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Oh, you can't imagine how I'd like to be proven wrong. Last time I checked, proper timezone support wasn't there. One could specify single timezone for entire org engine, but not per timestamp. I found some nearly official mailing list thread where participants couldn't settle on a single solution, and so the conclusion was that proper TZ is not coming to org. > Org's timestamp format doesn't encode timezone by defau…

So the problem is two-fold, right? a) you need to see the timestamp in different timezone(s) A minor mode with home-zone/visiting-zone vars showing dual times via overlays answers: e.g. "It's 1PM here, what's that in London?" That's the world-clock problem. Useful, easy to solve in ~15 min. b) anchor an event to a foreign zone permanently - you want to record a fact about an event that is intrinsically tied to a zone…

Thanks for the detailed explanation, I really appreciate it!

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Post by Ferret7446 »

ralphc wrote: post #211
rdtsc wrote: post #195

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> Yes, 34 years and no plans to switch. It's 26 years for me. Emacs is I believe the oldest software I still use. I started on an SGI Irix in 2000. I used it also on HP-UX, Solaris, Windows, MacOS, and of course all varieties of Linux > Emacs cursor movement keystrokes are quite widely supported elsewhere too which use GNU readline or implement at least subset themselves. And many keystrokes work on MacOS, too. That…

One advantage of vi is that even though emacs is available on all those systems, vi is actually installed on all of those, setting aside windows. If you know rudimentary vi you can walk up to any of those machines and edit a configuration file well enough to work.

vi isn't even in the same neighborhood in this regard. You can and should learn vi (and ed!) in one afternoon even if you never use them. Whereas Emacs isn't something you just learn in an afternoon. (And vim is not the same as vi)

That is a separate discussion from whether you should use ed or vi normally. You learn the "fallback" with the hope of never being forced to used them.

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Post by __patchbit__ »

psadri wrote: post #42
xedrac wrote: post #7

I'm happy to see these improvements. One thing that has always been annoying with Emacs is how much configuration is required to get a modern editor going. Things like Doom Emacs, and Spacemacs try to solve that problem, but both feel far removed from vanilla emacs. I wish Emacs came with several presets so with a single line, you could transform the editor to different base points. For example, most devs want treesi…

Claude: configure my Emacs such that … has worked pretty well for me lately.

Ask Claude to reprogram the Emacs graphics display engine to provide 3D wireframe object relations to see Popper's World abstraction navigating World 3 to 1 and backup.

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Post by melasadra »

iLemming wrote: post #235
mesrik wrote: post #75

"Is anyone still using emacs?" Yes, 34 years and no plans to switch. Emacs cursor movement keystrokes are quite widely supported elsewhere too which use GNU readline or implement at least subset themselves. Those work well also besides shells with Chromium/Chrome/Safari etc. many browsers input fields (address bar and text area). Cisco IOS, Juniper Junos, Netscreen load balancers too etc. IMHO makes jumping around CL…

> "Is anyone still using emacs?" Nothing else is capable of handling the variety of text-related things I want from my text editor. - I consume HN and Reddit in Emacs. Allows me for example to quickly search through all the links shared in a thread. - I read Jira and Slack in Emacs - in org-mode. It is far better for finding relevant things, extract them for my notes, etc. - All my writing done in Emacs. Because I ha…

You really should upload a long video i.e. at least an hour long, in which you do all those things.

It sounds inconceivable for non-TUI users such as myself.

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Post by mesrik »

sswezey wrote: post #256
mesrik wrote: post #131

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I just tried, and my macOS up todateFirefox (still Sonoma few weeks), doesn't work. Nor does Waterfox (Firefox derivativ) that I've been using more lately. Could it be some setting I need to set before it works?

Idk, its never stopped working for me for the past 10+ years. And Firefox has additionally always supported ctrl-n and ctrl-p working in the address bar for suggestions while Chrome has never supported this

Bit late to reply, but seems ^A and ^E (jumping line begin and end) at least do work in Firefox.

But for example ^T (letter transpose) do not work on macOS Firefox, which I'm quite accustomed to use also. But ^T works fine same macOS Safari and Chromium.

Firefox apparently has its own input method which do not implement all what macOS supports.

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Post by dmolinac »

musebox35 wrote: post #147
jerf wrote: post #4

"Is anyone still using emacs?" Yes. I had to briefly visit the world of VSCode during a period of time when it had better AI integration than emacs did, but since I got Claude working well inside of emacs I've returned to 100% emacs. There just isn't anything like the old editors, built in the 80x24 terminal era, for getting huge swathes of code on your screen at once. I run a standard widescreen monitor with three v…

I also have been using emacs for almost anything for the past 20 years. I had to switch to VSCode for coding over a remote ssh connection to cloud VMs. The client/server split of vscode felt superior over the ssh connection and the emacs alternatives was not up to the same level of performance two years ago. Do you know any progress on that front? I would love to go back to emacs as my daily driver but I am sensitive…

I suggest to see tramp-rpc https://github.com/ArthurHeymans/emacs-tramp-rpc, for me it improves my connections, making tramp more useful in my daily flow

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Post by dschrempf »

zhxhhshshs wrote: post #162
dschrempf wrote: post #91

Emacs is the best. Thanks a lot for writing this up!

It is definitely not the best. It is an acceptable but inferior product when compared to the gold standard. I have spoken!

Well, that was a bit of pun. Of course, it is not the best for everybody. However, I am sure that it is the best editor for me!

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Post by iLemming »

melasadra wrote: post #285
iLemming wrote: post #235

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> "Is anyone still using emacs?" Nothing else is capable of handling the variety of text-related things I want from my text editor. - I consume HN and Reddit in Emacs. Allows me for example to quickly search through all the links shared in a thread. - I read Jira and Slack in Emacs - in org-mode. It is far better for finding relevant things, extract them for my notes, etc. - All my writing done in Emacs. Because I ha…

You really should upload a long video i.e. at least an hour long, in which you do all those things. It sounds inconceivable for non-TUI users such as myself.

https://www.youtube.com/@emacspropaganda
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