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U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

RetroTechie wrote: post #280
datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #275

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You can read the profiles of people who run in the circles of those who have decision-making powers. Take for example the Wikipedia article for Liz Peek[1]: > Peek spent more than 20 years on Wall Street as a research analyst focused on the oil industry. She began working for Wertheim & Company in 1975 and in 1983, was one of the first women to become partner at a Wall Street investment firm. > Peek was the first wom…

I'm thinking.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck%27s_principle Often phrased as "science progresses one funeral at a time" ..applies here. Each time a Big Oil executive or one of their conspirators eats it, green tech progresses. They worked to build today's fossil-dependent world. 20-somethings work to build a world that does without fossils (and imho they're doing ok there).

Yeah, with the added factor that the US has large swaths of wealth that were accumulated from exploitation of the commons. In this case, natural resources with negative externalities tied to their extraction and consumption.

It creates a sense of entitlement, as well as enforces a certain type of world view that justifies their actions. How would you feel if your entire career was being invalidated by those who you consider intellectually and culturally inferior political enemies?

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by RetroTechie »

naturalmovement wrote: post #136
xg15 wrote: post #73

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Can anyone explain that "anti-science" crusade to me? This doesn't seem to have any effect than reduce America's standing in the world.

There's a lot of collateral damage that could have been avoided if millions weren't being squandered on dubious "science" like studying grooming habits of trans aboriginals in the Central African Republic (a made-up scenario, but there are many like it). At some point the baby's going to be thrown out with the bath water until the course is corrected.

Nice try to divert the discussion...

Could you explain what's wrong with monitoring the oceans surrounding the US? Take any angle (moral, scientific, public interest, economic p.o.v.)

Hint: in the greater scheme of things, science projects like this are ridiculously cheap.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by filoeleven »

throwawaypath wrote: post #220
Jtsummers wrote: post #120

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That's only part of it, the US and allies are reportedly going to set up a $300 billion fund for Iran, the particular terms of accessing it aren't clear at this point. GP is correct in that the US is not putting up $300 billion, but it will be putting up part of that money. The US fought and lost a war and Iran comes out ahead, and the US and its allies come out worse and poorer.

>The US fought and lost a war and Iran comes out ahead, and the US and its allies come out worse and poorer. That is also fake news. The US did not lose the war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_war

How many times have we won the war now? Seven? Eight?

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by throwawaypath »

filoeleven wrote: post #283
throwawaypath wrote: post #220

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>The US fought and lost a war and Iran comes out ahead, and the US and its allies come out worse and poorer. That is also fake news. The US did not lose the war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_war

How many times have we won the war now? Seven? Eight?

You seem lost, let me set you in the right direction: https://www.reddit.com

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by xboxnolifes »

fancyfredbot wrote: post #77

I understand the present US administration would want to stop funding this, and that they have the power to do so. I don't understand how that has led to the sensor network being dismantled. Surely it would have been cheaper to leave it in place and stop maintaining it?

You're looking at it from the lens of cost to government, but ignoring the lens if cost/profit for companies. Government spending isnt real spending to them, because its not their money. Government spending is only bad when if means they (the individuals) would profit less.

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Post by Supermancho »

Hikikomori wrote: post #274
Supermancho wrote: post #260

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If science can't explain some part of how a system works, science cant make predictions about that system. It's nonsense.

Science makes predictions that turn out to be true on incomplete theories and systems all the time. Even if we're missing causes for sinks we can make predictions on what happens when there's more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere as the effect of them are well understood.

I don't dispute it. You asked what they were asserting, I answered.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by mullingitover »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #93
anon_shill wrote: post #74

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Is this from Bannon and co.? What is their rationale for being militaristic during a return of Jesus? Wouldn't Jesus not like that very much?

I don't think they literally believe it. They ostensibly espouse this for political purposes, but it doesn't appear they believe in any permanent objective or thing other than their own power and profit.

> I don't think they literally believe it.

They do.

Source: They raised me.

I grew up experiencing things like getting an earful any time a nature show said something that contradicted young Earth creationism.

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