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Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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As someone who works in this space, the headline is a bit of a stretch. The overlap in the locations of Pokemon Go Player data and any active Drone heavy theaters of war is a tiny sliver (or zero?). The military contractor (Vantar/Maxar) in question basically admits so but just "reserves the right" to use the data which is the political battle line ala Claude and DoD. This is mostly an ideological battle.

Interestingly, I have some weirdly relevant direct experience to share here.

Pokémon Go was released at the beginning of July 2016. A week later, the Air Force kicked off its Red Flag exercise in Nellis AFB outside of Vegas. For the several thousand active duty folks participating, this is a month-long TDY from their normal base to Vegas. The premise is a large-scale war simulation, and it encompasses essentially all major wartime functions. I was directly involved in supporting drone operations (including live strikes) during this exercise.

The thing that’s funny about your comment is that because Pokémon go was just launched a week prior, a huge percentage of the participants were playing it in their downtime between exercises. You have to understand: these are thousands of 20/30-somethings (and occasionally even teenagers), meeting back up with friends from all over the world in Vegas. On and off base, people are socializing, having fun, and playing games. While phones were limited to outside of SCIFs, most of the base had no such restrictions. I recall wandering around base at 2am with friends playing it.

What’s funny is the same was happening with our deployed friends as well at the same time. This was a game that all their friends back home were playing, and when deployed, you need all the morale you can get. There were technically OPSEC policies this all probably violated but this was before any blowback from Strava accidentally revealing military bases or other similar incidents, so there was no specific guidance or moratorium on it.

All this to say, I understand what you’re trying to arrive at via deduction, but I think your understanding of the world in this case may be a bit too limited to meaningfully speak to this. That said, is the headline sensationalist? Probably.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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As someone who works in this space, the headline is a bit of a stretch. The overlap in the locations of Pokemon Go Player data and any active Drone heavy theaters of war is a tiny sliver (or zero?). The military contractor (Vantar/Maxar) in question basically admits so but just "reserves the right" to use the data which is the political battle line ala Claude and DoD. This is mostly an ideological battle.

> The overlap in the locations of Pokemon Go Player data and any active Drone heavy theaters of war is a tiny sliver. Currently active theaters. And now there are detailed locations of our cities. We might not get killbots today but we will get pacificationbots.

> And now there are detailed locations of our cities

That has already existed for decades.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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I worked at a VPS competitor of niantic. I am conflicted on this report. 1) VPS is not new, the startup I worked at had a working public system in 2018. 2) The hard part about VPSs is not actually the navigation, its generating and querying the map. How does the VPS work? You build a point cloud of features (for us we paid people to go and record videos in cities, Tesla/Waymo/toyata/google drove cars niantic got it's…

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Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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If the data was spatial - shapes and layouts of buildings and streets and such - that dataset is no longer current.

Deeply sickening that modern society is such that we have to make room in our brains for objectively outlandish connections like these. That a children's cartoon and game about cute little companions has to in any way be involved in the same sentence as the flattening of a city and genocide is just... pure insanity. The world has truly, collectively, lost its fucking mind.

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Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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This post was made by NAFO gang

Ad-hominem attack. Can you do better?

No ad hominem, just meme post because ironically post about nazis operates with made up national stereotypes.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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""As someone who works in this space, the headline is a bit of a stretch. The overlap in the locations of Pokemon Go Player data and any active Drone heavy theaters of war is a tiny sliver (or zero?)."" Can you elaborate? GPS can be faulty in cities. Pokémon Go scans, are primarily in cities. The mapping in the article, is specifically saying to use visual cues when GPS is faulty. How is this not directly 1-1 overlap…

VPSs are much more effective at navigation at ground level in cities compared to GPS because of multi-path interference. However that data has a half life and needs to be refreshed. For flying drones, ground level data is really not that useful. mainly because you can't see it, because its obscured by trees, building and clouds. But, this is not a new thing. Google, Apple, facebook and niantic all have VPSs as do a b…

I had assumed this was referring to street level flying drones.

Like you see in drone races. But with a little bomb attached.

Even with half life. That could be years. Depending on changes. Old neighborhoods probably haven't changed.. And, not sure I read that deal had a cutoff, or not. Could they continue getting updates. ?

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Moreover, it's adversary, not enemy.

The Russians seem to refer to most people not helping them as enemies. Often as nazis too.

Stupid generalization, just like propagandist stereotypes about obese redneck Americans and perverted Europeans.

Only propagandists and their victims can throw rocks like this without any discernment.

Any nation is a collection of vastly different personalities, out of whom one could of course pick a group with sought after characteristics, but taking one such group and extending its characteristics to the whole nation is beyond stupid.

It's OK if you implied "Russian government", but that better be explicit.

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