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Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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This all feels like a race where the model companies try to solve doing work locally in a way that doesn't suck, before the major operating systems companies figure out AI integration into their OS that doesn't suck. It also makes me wonder why Google which has both Gemini and Android can't figure this out, and if there are lessons to draw from that.

Google is historically terrible as a product company (and has succeeded in spite of that) As their technical innovations become less of a moat (we're already there) they won't be able to win on engineering alone (they are no longer winning on engineering alone)

lmao this is a terrible take. Google is the only company with AI deployed in every market where AI can exist, and _all_ of their products in those segments gush money.

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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Google is historically terrible as a product company (and has succeeded in spite of that) As their technical innovations become less of a moat (we're already there) they won't be able to win on engineering alone (they are no longer winning on engineering alone)

How are Google products anything but outstanding in their categories? What are you comparing to?

Most of their best products are VERY old. Gmail, Search, Docs/Drive, Maps, Street View, Chrome, all solid but old consumer apps. A lot of early entrants/market defining products, too! Most of them are still very good. Calendar is... fine. Gmail/Calendar as corporate products in some ways feel like downgrades compared to the functionality of the older Office desktop suite, but they integrate nicely into a lot of things.

The bad rep Google gets now is because while they've polished their nice money machine very well, they haven't done much to pioneer new segments and the old stuff is pretty stagnant. When's the last time Gmail gained a must-have feature? Maps?

Ok but maybe those old products are just mature and there's not much room for product innovation? Even if we assume that's the case (though there are third party email and calendar apps that I use instead of Google's first-party ones on my phone), let's look at some newer stuff:

Android was a copy of Blackberry that turned into a copy of Apple before being launched. It's done well numbers-wise, particularly in lower-cost markets, but hasn't got a lot of novel product stuff going on in the last decade or more. Less luck as a tablet platform. A lot of the nifty novel stuff in mobile space (wireless earbuds, "find my" stuff, mobile payments, magnetic wireless charging) was done first by Apple.

Meet vs anything else - well, Meet is cheap if you're already on Gsuite, at least.

Voice/Hangouts/Chat/Duo/Whatever - whole lotta abandonware or dead attempts.

Google Plus - famously mis-targeted product.

Google Assistant - Siri copycat then with Alexa copycat hardware. Didn't do anything novel.

Chromecast - nice novel product, caught on decently well, lost the market to a combo of set-top boxes (Roku, Apple) and native-TV integrations. Tried doing Google TV as that native platform with a copycat pivot vs the original Chromecast, no particular success.

Stadia - abandoned quickly, never set itself apart from the things it was copying.

Smart home hardware (like alarms and smoke alarms) - dramatically scaled back and now pretty unambitious.

Gemini - copycat of ChatGPT which is particular damning since so much of the original research came from Google in the first place!

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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That could be true, but I don't think I'd bet on it myself.

Good call. The original comment is making fun of the incorrect double negative. “Without no way” means there is a way.

Shakespeare himself uses the double negative for emphasis, FFS. It never was, nor never will be incorrect.

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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How are Google products anything but outstanding in their categories? What are you comparing to?

Which products are outstanding in their categories? Gmail isn't outstanding, search isn't outstanding, maps isn't outstanding. They are all pretty par for the course. Google used to be outstanding... but I'm not sure of a single product they have that is outstanding (def: significantly better than the competition) anymore. On the other hand I rarely use any google products these days, so maybe I'm not the one to be j…

What is better than Google Maps? It's the only Google product I don't see myself abandoning any time soon. I agree on everything else.

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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I absolutely want AI in my OS. I just want it to be one I can trust to serve my interests, and not the company's. I'm literally in the middle of baking one in as I type this.

You can’t have one without the other. Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but any AI baked into the OS will be so in favour of the company, not you.

I'm running open models on my own hardware, on linux. So, I don't think so?

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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Google is historically terrible as a product company (and has succeeded in spite of that) As their technical innovations become less of a moat (we're already there) they won't be able to win on engineering alone (they are no longer winning on engineering alone)

On a semi-related note, I bought a Pixel phone about a month ago, and I'm shocked by how unpolished it is. I've had so many little annoyances pop up, issues I never had on other android phones. Keyboard hiding/appearing when it's not suppose to, bluetooth dropping, WiFi dropping, network switching taking forever, screen becoming unresponsive... It's mostly all small things, but they really start to add up after a whi…

Mine's been mostly fine. Second hand Pixel 10 (previous 2nd hand 8a) and I am extremely happy with an excellent phone. No problems like you've had.

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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Google is historically terrible as a product company (and has succeeded in spite of that) As their technical innovations become less of a moat (we're already there) they won't be able to win on engineering alone (they are no longer winning on engineering alone)

But Kubernetes, being a former Google project whilst donated to CNCF, is still one of the mainstream container orchestrator if not the biggest one (I believe we need to go over to supercomputers for that). Nomad is kind of dead and Apache Mesos is basically dead. Leaving Kubernetes as a natural moat, plus Google employees are still seemingly actively maintaining it. And also Go. While I'm not a Go guy (speaking as a…

> But Kubernetes, being a former Google project (...)

You are confusing Kubernetes, the software project with Kubernetes, the container orchestration system.

There are many Kubernetes distributions out there which are not maintained in any way by Google. Even Canonical provides its own Kubernetes implementation.

Nowadays Kubernetes is a keyword much like Unix or Unix-like.

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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Google is historically terrible as a product company (and has succeeded in spite of that) As their technical innovations become less of a moat (we're already there) they won't be able to win on engineering alone (they are no longer winning on engineering alone)

But Kubernetes, being a former Google project whilst donated to CNCF, is still one of the mainstream container orchestrator if not the biggest one (I believe we need to go over to supercomputers for that). Nomad is kind of dead and Apache Mesos is basically dead. Leaving Kubernetes as a natural moat, plus Google employees are still seemingly actively maintaining it. And also Go. While I'm not a Go guy (speaking as a…

>Leaving Kubernetes as a natural moat, plus Google employees are still seemingly actively maintaining it.

Neither Go nor Kubernetes are even remotely moats.

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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We probably talk to different sets of people, as I don't even know anybody who ever used Google Docs.

I've been at multiple companies where Google Drive and Docs/Sheets are the only thing people use.

That's because the execs force them.

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As a concrete example, Windows defined the product category. And it is still the most popular desktop operating system in the world by far. Few here would argue that it’s an outstanding product.

More than plenty of people (including me) would argue that Windows is an awful product, but a quite significant number of people (maybe even including me) would argue that its an outstanding product.

>but a quite significant number of people (maybe even including me) would argue that its an outstanding product.

Are those people in the room with us now?

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