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Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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I’m confused isn’t there a bill to merge Israel and US intelligence/military together in various ways?

I’m more confused by your username. Wow.

I believe it’s in reference to the humor TV show Letterkenny which has a beer brand called Puppers. Characters on the show often ask for another fucking puppers.

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> Yes, Putin could in theory stop his war, but he tied his identity to it More like his life. He will not survive the end of this war.

Nah. There are always face-saving offramps... And examples like Saddam doing just fine after his failed invasion of Iran. If the war ended tomorrow, and Russia withdrew from Ukraine, Putin would still be enjoying ~50% organic support among Russians. Just like Trump has a ~35% approval floor of complete idiots standing behind him as he sends inflation and gas prices and cost of living through the roof... Putin enjoys…

The Russo-Japanese war ultimately didn't end well for the Romanovs.

A lot of people died in suspicious circumstances.

I mean, someone has to be held accountable for that, don't they?

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Former Arcadia mayor, Eileen Wang, plead guilty to being an illegal foreign agent [1]. She faces up to 10 years in prison. What did she do? She allegedly promoted Chinese propaganda and communicated with the CCP.

If Israel was treated to the same standard, two-third of Congress would be tried for treason and most of the Beltway would now be in Federal prison. Senator Lindsey Graham said in his own words he goes to Israel "every two weeks". Jake Auchincloss, Democratic congressperson, said regarding the presumptive Democratic nominee for senate in Maine, Graham Platner, "I'd vote for someone else" [3]. Put another way, he'd rather a Republican win than an anti-Israel Democrat.

When then president George HW Bush threatened to pause a $10 billion loan to Israell over illegal settlements, he famously complained "there are 1,000 lobbyists up on the Hill today lobbying Congress for loan guarantees for Israel and I’m one lonely little guy down here asking Congress to delay its consideration of loan guarantees for 120 days." [4]

The level of influence is unreal.

[1]: https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/arcadia-mayor-federally...

[2]: https://www.rev.com/transcripts/graham-press-conference-in-i...

[3]: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5895682-graham-platner...

[4]: https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-lonely-little-george-h-w-b...

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> but it was around the same time and was a pretty wide spread attack conducted by presumably Israel Wat.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2002/mar/06/internatio...

“ American authorities today revealed they have arrested and deported dozens of young Israelis they suspect were part of a giant spy ring.

Up to 120 Israelis have been arrested since early last year after claiming they were art students and trying to gain access to sensitive government buildings.”

Not sure if that citation helps your “wat” but Israel for decades has been a pretty aggressive partner at the world stage. Every country does it but Israel has a special touch.

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> but it was around the same time and was a pretty wide spread attack conducted by presumably Israel Wat.

They aren't saying Israel did 9/11, they are calling the Israeli "art students" activity an attack. It's fair to characterize it as an attack: apparent spies attempted to infiltrate federal buildings and the private residences of federal employees.

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Former Arcadia mayor, Eileen Wang, plead guilty to being an illegal foreign agent [1]. She faces up to 10 years in prison. What did she do? She allegedly promoted Chinese propaganda and communicated with the CCP. If Israel was treated to the same standard, two-third of Congress would be tried for treason and most of the Beltway would now be in Federal prison. Senator Lindsey Graham said in his own words he goes to Is…

> What did she do? She allegedly promoted Chinese propaganda and communicated with the CCP

Wang "secretly served the interests of the Chinese government." Doing it covertly is the core of the problem for an elected.

> If Israel was treated to the same standard, two-third of Congress would be tried for treason

Eileen Wang wasn't charged with treason. Our electeds are allowed to have foreign sympathies because voters are allowed to have foreign sympathies. If it's out in the open, it's fine, even if one may disagree with it.

And for what it's worth, Israel has become toxic in the Democratic party, something it wasn't before, as well as on the isolationist (and let's be honest, anti-Semitic) wing of the GOP. So you're starting to see those expressions shift.

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> but it was around the same time and was a pretty wide spread attack conducted by presumably Israel Wat.

They aren't saying Israel did 9/11, they are calling the Israeli "art students" activity an attack. It's fair to characterize it as an attack: apparent spies attempted to infiltrate federal buildings and the private residences of federal employees.

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> but it was around the same time and was a pretty wide spread attack conducted by presumably Israel Wat.

They aren't saying Israel did 9/11, they are calling the Israeli "art students" activity an attack. It's fair to characterize it as an attack: apparent spies attempted to infiltrate federal buildings and the private residences of federal employees.

Thanks for clarifying. I should not have mentioned 9/11, I just always remember it because it was right around that time.

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From its start Israel's existence has been about not playing by the rules. The days are numbered for Israel because it's not and never has been a sustainable enterprise and its exploitation of the American people and US taxpayer money is catching-up to it faster than it can damage control it away or come-up with more and more creative ways to pay people to call label criticism of Israel a hate crime.

Israel has a modern military and 200+ nuclear weapons that they would absolutely use in a last resort scenario (like all countries would). They are not going away anytime soon, nor are their days numbered. Like geez, we can't even get rid of North Korea, how are people expecting to successfully destroy a nuclear armed power without getting everyone else in that area killed? Its delusional.

Unlike North Korea, Israel is highly globally economically integrated. I’ve only ever seen anti-Zionists propose defeating the state the same way the last apartheid state (and Israel’s nuclear weapon development partner) was: a mix of extreme economic and diplomatic pressure.

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> The biggest mistake US & Israel did was underestimating Iran, specifically their defensive capabilities. They've prepared for this war for 47 years, _literally_ praying for it. You had Abbas Araghchi on TV literally inviting American army into Iran for a ground invasion. Iran would be highly unlikely to be able to prevent a ground invasion from the US since Iran's convention military capabilities are not particular…

> They can obviously cause a lot of damage but they would obviously lose that war if the US decided they had to remove the regime by force. That is far from obvious. A command structure scattered around a huge country should be able to outlast U.S. willingness to throw bodies into a shredder.

The Vietnamese proved that it's not the bombs you can throw at the country - it's whether you have hearts and minds on your side.

The Americans learnt from that and went to Iraq claiming to have hearts and minds on their side - but quickly discovered that, in fact, they did not (and still do not).

The Americans need to take stock of their own actions in this conflict - they put Trump in the white house, they allowed him to be influenced by other governments, they gave him the power to get involved in the conflict.

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