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Re: The desperation of NYTimes

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Post by palmotea »

Centigonal wrote: post #68
dieselgate wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I respect your opinion but am grateful for and find tremendous value in my NYT subscription. I share it with my SO and read their articles constantly. Prior to getting a subscription I was a "turn js off" kind of person - which is fine I suppose and still do it for other sites. I do not maintain any streaming or other subscriptions outside of Deezer (and a Garmin GPS FWIW). I would like a Bloomberg subscription but t…

This is an interesting topic. If a company does something you approve of (e.g. do journalism) and something else you disapprove of (e.g. make canceling hard), is there a good way to signal both as a consumer? This is also relevant in the context of companies like Target, which has been boycotted by both sides of the US political spectrum for various reasons.

> This is an interesting topic. If a company does something you approve of (e.g. do journalism) and something else you disapprove of (e.g. make canceling hard), is there a good way to signal both as a consumer? This is also relevant in the context of companies like Target, which has been boycotted by both sides of the US political spectrum for various reasons.

No. at least not as a consumer in the marketplace. That's why people who act like the market creates a good fit for consumer preferences or go on and on about things like "revealed preferences" are just plain wrong.

Re: The desperation of NYTimes

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Post by leephillips »

I check the NYT every day. There are occasional articles that are truly great examples of journalism. But I cannot stomach the idea of sending any money their way. Their political and cultural biases infect nearly everything they put out, and I find some of these biases repugnant. They are also underhanded at times. Here’s an example:

http://lee-phillips.org/nytIHRA

Re: The desperation of NYTimes

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Post by jhbadger »

duckmysick wrote: post #229
dieselgate wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I respect your opinion but am grateful for and find tremendous value in my NYT subscription. I share it with my SO and read their articles constantly. Prior to getting a subscription I was a "turn js off" kind of person - which is fine I suppose and still do it for other sites. I do not maintain any streaming or other subscriptions outside of Deezer (and a Garmin GPS FWIW). I would like a Bloomberg subscription but t…

If the NYT subscription indeed has a tremendous value, surely it can attract and retain the subscribers without resorting to dark patterns in their products.

The problem is people who get actual news from a decent newspaper (and let's face it, after Bezos trashed the Washington Post, the NYT has no serious rival in the US) is a value for society more than it is for individuals. People might say "I don't need to read a newspaper; I can get news from my social media" but that's kind of the problem with today's society.

Re: The desperation of NYTimes

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Post by square_usual »

rdslw wrote: post #224
dieselgate wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I respect your opinion but am grateful for and find tremendous value in my NYT subscription. I share it with my SO and read their articles constantly. Prior to getting a subscription I was a "turn js off" kind of person - which is fine I suppose and still do it for other sites. I do not maintain any streaming or other subscriptions outside of Deezer (and a Garmin GPS FWIW). I would like a Bloomberg subscription but t…

If my polite neighbour smiles, holds the door, but also pisses on my doormat every few days, I call him LOUD a jerk and tell him to stop. I never approve the piss because he said good morning.

How is this a fair analogy? The NYT isn't pissing on your doormat. Making it harder to cancel is an annoyance, but it's not like they don't let you.

Re: The desperation of NYTimes

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Post by sixtyj »

epistasis wrote: post #3

NYTimes is predatory on subscriptions. Over my long lifetime I've subscribed twice, and regretted it both times with intensity. Any place that allows easy instantaneous subscription by a simple web form, but makes you call and talk to a person during limited business hours for cancellation , is a toxic place. I've been told they have stopped this predatory practice due to some newly passed laws or something, but they…

The people working in (traditional) media are lagging behind the online world.

Twenty years ago - back in 2005–2006, when the world was just going massive online - they had to explain to newspaper owners what the internet was… and some of them simply fell behind.

In general, we should value all “traditional” media, because what passes for news today are flash-in-the-pans that may not be here in 10–20 years - it has generally been found that links have an average lifespan of 10 years, which means that “today’s new, great, free, independent” news may not be here with us in 10–15 years.

(I’ve been doing really small b2b media for 25 years, so I know how it hurts when a PR agency comes to me - having been paid by a client - and “begs” me to publish their article for free.)

Re: The desperation of NYTimes

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Post by damnitbuilds »

Tech means things should get progressively better.

Why don't companies see that people will pay a reasonable amount for better things, but making it worse and charging too much means people will go elsewhere ?

We have seen through the enshittification, IBM, NYT, HP, Netflix, etc. etc.

Re: The desperation of NYTimes

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

beAbU wrote: post #244
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #90

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Assuming they are both the same price this also speaks directly to NTY: people will give Apple a 30% cut just to not deal with their shitty practices.

No it doesn't, because the price is the same. If the Apple Pay route was 30% expensiver, then I reckon most would not opt for that option.

I think you misinterpret: people use the apple route which means NYT lose money, and seeing people unsubscribe to their direct service only to immediately subscribe to Apple would’ve obvious.

Re: The desperation of NYTimes

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Post by pandaman »

epistasis wrote: post #3

NYTimes is predatory on subscriptions. Over my long lifetime I've subscribed twice, and regretted it both times with intensity. Any place that allows easy instantaneous subscription by a simple web form, but makes you call and talk to a person during limited business hours for cancellation , is a toxic place. I've been told they have stopped this predatory practice due to some newly passed laws or something, but they…

When I moved to the US, one surprising thing was the "telemarketing" and, at that time, half of the spam calls I've got were selling NYT subs. I had no idea what kind of newspaper it was at the time but I figured it's not very good if someone is paid to call random people at home to move those subs.
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