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American capitalism has taken an apocalyptic turn

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Re: American capitalism has taken an apocalyptic turn

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> People vote for old idiots . i think this is also a syndrome not a cause

Agree, coming from a 3rd country to US what I have personally perceived a lot is the generational loop at the later stage..."Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times." — G. Michael Hopf

The Russians must be having a grand old time according to this theory.

Re: American capitalism has taken an apocalyptic turn

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> 25k saved per year is a million after twenty years with a modest very conservative amount. Close to 25% of people in America only make 25k a year. Forget saving that much You are wildly out of touch with the average person and their struggles to think that 25k saved per year is even remotely achievable for most people

I dunno why people keep bringing this up as some sort of gotcha. You don't save for retirement based on your average. You do it during your peak earning years. Which are far above average. And most households have more than one earner. So even a 5% savings based on a median 84k household yields over 750k in 20 years. Like it literally is that simple.

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Re: American capitalism has taken an apocalyptic turn

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> In case you didn't notice, the Revolution won. All contemporary republics fundamentally inherit from the French Revolution “Fundamentally inherent from” is such a broad statement that it’s difficult to argue with, but the US constitution predates the French Revolution. > so terrified of the prospect of even a single popular republic rejecting the divine right to rule If the monarchies of Europe were so terrified of…

He said inherit, not inherent

It was a typo.

Re: American capitalism has taken an apocalyptic turn

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"much of wall street is in a fatalistic mood" yeah the SPY is going vertical, sure sure.

You can be in a fatalistic mood and buy.

No, you cannot say the mood is fatalistic when purchase interest in stocks is at an all time high

Re: American capitalism has taken an apocalyptic turn

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Like anything some is good too much is bad, a gradient work for a complex society, a brutal difference like kings and dark ages poor eventually bring collapse

Wealth inequality was not the defining aspect of the relationship between kings and peasants. It was also not the reason for the collapse. The defining quality was the mechanisms by which kings extracted wealth from peasants (indirectly, through layers) which doesn’t resemble what we have in western liberal democracies today. Things like tallage and arbitrary taxation, labor dues, mill/oven/wine press monopolies, her…

they “extract” wealth on the back of shared investments like infrastructure and now our data/IP with AI

it’s not the same as your examples but i’m not sure that it needs to be exactly the same

Re: American capitalism has taken an apocalyptic turn

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If the top 10% of people suddenly had their wealth double overnight, it would have absolutely disastrous effects for the lower 90% of people. Prices for scarce goods (e.g. housing) would increase dramatically. The price increase dampens the overall demand for housing since a large fraction of the 90% are now priced out. The wealthy homeowners have an incentive to maintain that scarcity, and freely use their resources…

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It happened over Covid.

All those checks to business owners and farmers. Huge slush funds.

Californians used it to buy houses in smaller cities across the country.

Not doubled but a windfall of cash into accounts for the wealthy none the less.

Re: American capitalism has taken an apocalyptic turn

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> American lost engineering culture everywhere except software microprocessor design : Apple Silicon and lately Intel Panther Lake and later?

Both companies created in the previous century and running on old fuel of past success

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Re: American capitalism has taken an apocalyptic turn

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> American lost engineering culture everywhere except software microprocessor design : Apple Silicon and lately Intel Panther Lake and later?

Both companies created in the previous century and running on old fuel of past success

that looks like reinvesting profits from innovation in hopes of more innovation

Re: American capitalism has taken an apocalyptic turn

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No ones labor is worthless. Guys this is so retarded but I understand why tech people find this difficult. Humanity runs off of romance. This is not sexual romantic love but rather the thrill of other human people. An AI cannot provide this. This interaction has value. Technology frees us from having to deal with the mundane so we can deal with the exemplary. Just go to a poorer country and see that it is not possibl…

Why are there homeless people then? Capital doesn't care about whether your work is "inherently valuable". That you think poor countries are somehow fundamentally different in this regard, exposed to the downsides of the market in a way that we here are not, is a defect of imagination.

There are two reasons I've seen that people are homeless.

The first reason, prevalent in third world countries, is because people are ostracized from society by people who don't consider them fully people. See tribal conflicts in Africa or India.

The second reason, more common in the US, is because we conflate 'homelessness' for 'mentally ill' due to the dearth of mental health facilities. These people, due to how they behave, are not people most people want to interact with. By and large, most normal behaving homeless in the United States end up not homeless about a year later, and the data show this. There is almost zero family houselessness in America. Almost no families begging on the street. Pretty much the only families you see begging in America are gypsies who are lying about their lot in life. In much of the world, there are destitute families literally begging on the street for survival.

> That you think poor countries are somehow fundamentally different in this regard,

They are inherently different. Countries like my parent's birth country of India have more than enough resources to be rich but are held back by a social system in which some people are considered less than dirt and others are elevated to be besides gods. India is - or used to be at least - a socialist country, and is still just barely capitalist. The idea that capitalism causes poverty is... insane. I would encourage people to travel to other countries and see what homelessness looks like there. If you get out of the western bubble, you'll realize that the homelessness of America is of an entirely different quality and kind.

Re: American capitalism has taken an apocalyptic turn

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post #52

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The French Revolution is no longer possible. The surveillance state plus wealth mobility means the wealthy will be in New Zealand before anyone erects a guillotine, and the people that would foment a revolution are heavily surveilled and infiltrated.

Are you sure about that? Tech cuts both ways & asymmetric drone warfare has become cheaper than ever … how hard it is it to sink some yachts or down some jets?

LOL, what are you going to do? Sit at the end of Northrop field and fly a swarm of drones into the engines of a G6 traveling down the runway at over 100MPH? No way a handful of drones are going to get sucked into a jet engine at that speed. Or do you mean engage a PJ in a dogfight at 40000 feet? I suspect if drones could down a jet, we would have heard about it coming out of Ukraine by now.

The reason we don't do these things is because the jets would come crashing down onto someone's home or place of work. That UPS jet that crashed last year when the engine detached on takeoff killed a dozen on the ground. Nobody is going to drone attack a private jet because the innocent would get killed by the dozen.

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