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Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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Right, but if you bought office 2000 it was established that you would get to keep using office 2000 for as long as you wanted

There are probably still a minority using Office 2000 out there, because it still does everything they need.

I was one of those, way past its EOL. I could never switch to this braindead “ribbons” UI and refused to learn this idiotic new scheme so I stayed with office 2k. And then I switched to libreoffice.

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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Why are we acting like VS Code is nothing but a way to stop independent developers from selling their tools? Things like VS Code literally destroy the cottage industry and likely has held back our industry by several decades. MSFT needs to be at least six separate companies: Windows, Office, GitHub, Visual Studio, Xbox, and Azure. That would kneecap the company and destroy its parasitic blight on our industry for sev…

Have releases of other open-source tools destroyed cottage industries? Certainly they have, to an extent. Would it be better if most tools you use were proprietary, built by cottage industries? I doubt it. Especially if we notice that cottage industries tend to consolidate, and the few remaining players are rarely very community-oriented.

No, what would be better is creating a VAT against big tech and VC investments so that the public can decide what technology is worth developing.

If the VAT amounted to $10,000,000,000 of tax revenue annually (something that is quite easy to do against an industry that has several trillion dollar corporations) that is enough to 100,000 open source projects with $100,000 grants.

This would literally unleash to much economic value that would be truly controlled by the public.

That is the future I want to build towards, anything that gives people more power against corporations and in the software world that means funding open source.

I can't think of a single open source dev that wouldn't mind a $100,000 grant for the likely millions they provide in economic value.

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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Which probably allows them to skirt legal liability... After all, a computer with the date set to 2021 will still function...

Yep. Scummy, even for Microsoft. Too bad their EULA blocks class action. They were selling it until October 2021, so it's not some ancient system. By building a time bomb into it, they misrepresented what was effectively a $50/year subscription as if it were a $229 purchase. Should be a slam dunk case, but it won't be.

Their EULA is meaningless in countries with strong consumer protection laws.

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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This is a bizarrely revisionist take. Perhaps you weren't around at the time but that was not standard MO in the slightest. Obviously they were incredibly scummy in other ways, but that was not one of them. //Edit : I see from another comment that you say you worked there in the 2000s. Inclined to believe you, but having worked in the industry since the mid-90s I'm absolutely confident the general sentiment about Mic…

Counterpoint: Bill Gates' appearance in the Simpsons clearly depicts him as a nefarious bully. I think the Windows XP and the Gates Foundation actually resuscitated his image a bit. Windows was a bit hit or miss. Blue Screen of Death plagued Windows 98, Windows ME was a joke, even early XP wasn't great. (I personally wasn't a fan of XP when it came out, switching instead to Windows NT before moving over to Linux c. 2…

> 30 years ago, though to your point I don't remember anyone talking about them revoking licenses for purchased software.

People weren’t ready then. But enough “innovation” has happened since that most people will shrug and say “meh it’s an old version anyway”

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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The fork is called EuroOffice and will be released next month. Onlyoffice is from Russian developers and includes binary blobs, it's not fully open source.

What blobs?

I dug a bit deeper after you asked because "compiled or obfuscated code blobs" was the wording from EuroOffice. It doesn't seem like they shipped binary objects hidden inside the editor source tree after a quick glance.

I guess they used "binary blobs" in the broad FOSS-maintainer sense, e.g. bundled third-party assets, fonts, generated/minified JavaScript in sdkjs, and possibly precompiled mobile components...

However, onlyoffice removed their mobile editor repo from Github a few days ago, and EuroOffice has been particularly critical of the mobile apps, claiming they contained proprietary sections. So if there is a concrete concern behind the "binary blobs" accusation, the mobile side seems like the most likely place it was directed at.

It feels a bit like a mudslinging match right now and you were completely right to question the claim :-)

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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This is the new way and we need to stop it now. Forget the 'is it legal or not' arguments, their lawyers will win. Just get mad and tell them this is wrong. Stop buying their #$@#$ software. Block them. This is what is wrong with cars too. Don't want to give them real time data on you and your passengers and instead try to disconnect the modem? Well, no car functionality for you even if it doesn't need it. -get mad-…

I never used anything by Microsoft since I bailed to Macs after Windows 8.. and with Nintendo, PlayStation and CrossOver etc for games I never even felt the need to. Every time I took a look at Windows once every few years it still reeked of shit. A happy 10~ years ..until they bought GitHub. Then they crippled the Visual Studio Code Extensions Marketplace so VSCodium users couldn't easily install some extensions. Co…

Bill Gates also deserves a criminal investigation into what he did on Pedo Island.

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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Numbers is not excellent. It’s stubborn and unhelpful.

Apple should make their finance department use Numbers, it would be fixed in no time. I swear nobody at that company has ever opened Numbers, I don't understand how it can be so broken for so long.

It seems to be a pattern with apple apps in my experience.

I don’t hate myself enough to have a Mac but I have an iPhone and there are so many bugs in apple supplied apps (mail, safari, iOS itself, iCloud) that apple have known about for years. And yet these bugs are still there with no desire from apple to fix them.

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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They said cottage industry, not software industry. Edit: s/he/they/woops sorry

OK but is that even true? Lots of people buy IntelliJ licenses (or if they've stopped I'm guessing it has more to do with Claude Code than VS Code).

By the way, Claude Code works well from inside emacs.

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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Other options include Calligra (especially on KDE) https://calligra.org And Macs are bundled with Pages, Numbers, and Keynote, all of which are excellent.

Mac office suite is moving to the subscription model, too

Are you referring to Apple Creator Studio?

https://www.apple.com/apple-creator-studio/

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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This shouldn't be legal. The software was clearly marketed as a classic fixed-in-time release, like the old CD releases, that would not be updated but would work indefinitely. Now they're going to boldly revoke the licenses???

It’s more malicious than that, they’re simply not renewing their code signing license hence making the software non-functional.

I don't think this can be the case given that the program will keep working in reduced functionality mode. This wouldn't be possible in the situation you describe.
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