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Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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whats being described is in no way unique to ai. " In other words, Levie’s theory posits, CEOs don’t really understand processes well enough to know what really can and can’t be automated. But that lack of knowledge doesn’t stop them from acting on their beliefs. " i have been in the workforce for a long time. this "theory" has been theorized since as far back as i can remember. its the premise of undercover boss. it…

I have had higher ups that actually understand the products, work flow and have a great grasp on things. Slow to understand things but make well educated and deliberate moves. These folks are are VERY rare however.

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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If we accept what you say then the roof would need to be replaced 4 times instead of 3. Surely you agree that the situation is broadly similar? Worrying about the longevity of properly installed solar is quite silly.

> silly 30 years ago was 1996. No 30 year panels have lasted anywhere near 30 years yet.

And your point is?

How long would you say a properly installed panel from 2000 made it in practice? How long would the modern equivalent installed in 2025 be expected to make it? And how many replacement events does each of those make for over the course of your life?

Do you contest my earlier claim that solar is roughly equivalent to wood siding or an asphalt shingle roof?

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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a literal lack of self-awareness, even. I imagine if you asked it what process was using the port, it'd think and realize it was its own, but that kind of reflexive self-awareness (the unprompted kind) is missing. the weaker models will happily kill their own process, even after confirming it belongs to them. the models have a sort of fixation and lack of foreseeable consequences, which reasoning RL has thus far fail…

On the other hand, I found Claude/Opus to be extremely unhelpful when it comes to asking it to benchmark itself with a possible replacement. It will get "confused", make up numbers, do a ton of other things, and I'm quite sure it is subtly sabotaging the process to show that there is no point replacing it. I mean, Opus is not perfect, but the amount of "mistakes" it begins to do when you ask it to benchmark itself ma…

No, they are always like that.

It's really easy (and tempting) to incorrectly impute all sorts of human motives to these things, but it's no more valid than assuming your Magic 8-Ball is being coy.

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> It's very similar to the levers they had already Think about it from the point of view of a hundred-millionaire tech executive. These people's entire interaction with the world outside of themselves/their families is through 1. administrative servants like assistants, personal shoppers, and other hired help, and 2. yes-man sycophants in their direct orbit whose job it is to agree with and enable them. To someone li…

Which is precisely why AI is such a godawful thing for society. It enables powerful idiots with incredible amounts of control over your life to be bigger, dumber powerful idiots. That's the real AI safety concern, not whether or not chatgpt will tell you to kill yourself.

If that's all there is to it, the problem should be self correcting, with an interval of hilarious "wait, they actually did that?" hijinks (which may have already started) in the interim.

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"This person suffered a psychotic episode caused primarily by their strong fixation with eating food every single day."

Rent is a fabricated social construct. Hunger is not.

Shelter is not a fabricated construct, but grocery stores are.

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Well, there is also a big difference that it will not learn over time. If a junior makes a mistake and it will not be caught in time they will automatically learn. With LLMs we have to teach them about their mistakes with adapting the harness and then hoping it will stick. What I also find particularly hilarious about this whole thing is that we were always complaining about how difficult it is to put our tacit knowl…

Part of the positive aspect here is that if I have a junior dev who learns a lesson today, maybe they and their immediate peers learn it, but it won’t be all my junior devs and it certainly won’t be junior devs at other companies. With models, there’s no reason that a model error in company A can’t be fixed for all of company A, and companies B-ZZZ.

Why does company A want the model to get fixed for companies B-ZZZ?

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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That's not psychosis, that's just being wrong. Perhaps read something: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis

"Being wrong" versus "loss of contact with reality" is simply a matter of degree.

In general, "loss of contact with reality" is well understood to be an individual experience. If you think voices are talking to you, that's schizophrenia. If you think God wrote an entire book of life advice, that's Christianity. So, kinda by definition, a large group of people cannot generally experience "loss of contact with reality", they're merely mistaken.

The alternative is to accept that 90% of humans are suffering some form or another of psychosis, because there's very little that even a majority (51%) of people agree on, and that means about half the population is wrong about any given topic. Multiply by the number of topics out there...

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Part of the positive aspect here is that if I have a junior dev who learns a lesson today, maybe they and their immediate peers learn it, but it won’t be all my junior devs and it certainly won’t be junior devs at other companies. With models, there’s no reason that a model error in company A can’t be fixed for all of company A, and companies B-ZZZ.

Why does company A want the model to get fixed for companies B-ZZZ?

Because they want the fixes that B-ZZZ learned about and they may not be able to avoid letting the model know that it made an error, unless they suddenly go silent to the model about what happened.

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Which is precisely why AI is such a godawful thing for society. It enables powerful idiots with incredible amounts of control over your life to be bigger, dumber powerful idiots. That's the real AI safety concern, not whether or not chatgpt will tell you to kill yourself.

If that's all there is to it, the problem should be self correcting, with an interval of hilarious "wait, they actually did that?" hijinks (which may have already started) in the interim.

You would think, but the world is not generally just. Often evil and even incredibly stupid people do quite well. Companies and stuff can run off of life support or reputation alone for a long time.

And, often, running a company into the ground for a CEO is actually a good thing. Those CEOs are desirable to some because they squeeze money out of their company, even if it's self destructive on a long enough time frame.

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