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California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

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Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

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Post by bijowo1676 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #119
bijowo1676 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

only parents can decide for their own children, so you can do whatever you want for your own children

> only parents can decide for their own children Voters are collectively deciding for all of our children. And there are absolutely group dynamics that require cooperation. It’s why rich communities ban phones in classrooms while in poor communities, the one family that tries doing it alone is probably going to be less successful. Again, I’m not saying you’re fundamentally wrong. Just that this debate has been had an…

we are not collectivist/communist country to have a "muh gubernment" rule and dictate over every little thing.

I want government bureacrats, empowered by the stupid median voter, to be as far away as possible from things that I (and any other parent) are perfectly capable of solving by ourselves.

I want more freedom

Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

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Post by bijowo1676 »

bitwize wrote: post #188
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> only parents can decide for their own children Voters are collectively deciding for all of our children. And there are absolutely group dynamics that require cooperation. It’s why rich communities ban phones in classrooms while in poor communities, the one family that tries doing it alone is probably going to be less successful. Again, I’m not saying you’re fundamentally wrong. Just that this debate has been had an…

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lolberts know the IQ of a median voter and how federal big government abuses its power without delivering on what was promised

Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

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Post by dpkirchner »

stouset wrote: post #180
echelon wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me be very explicit so we're not dancing around the topic: The potentially all-powerful government shouldn't know: - what vices a person has - what religion a person has or doesn't have - what porn you watch - what alcohol and drugs you buy PERIOD. All of these things can be exploited. To control jobs, to control finances, to extort influence, to shape ideology, etc. The government shouldn't be able to catalog th…

Nobody here disagrees. What should be the case is that sites are broadly required to flag what kind of content they serve so parents can choose to exercise their own level of desired control.

Surely parents can look at the sites and decide for themselves whether or not they are suitable.

Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

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Post by cwicklein »

pessimizer wrote: post #24
jmclnx wrote: post #7

Hopefully the add the BSDs too.

> The proposed amendment specifically states: “Operating system provider” does not mean a person or entity that distributes an operating system or application under license terms that permit a recipient to copy, redistribute, and modify the software.

How about composite software products, say a de facto operating system which contains substantial elements subject to a permissive license? What if those are the components which support networking? If, hypothetically, a commercial operating system vendor built on Mach and 4BSD?

Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

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Post by iamnothere »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #274
jamesgill wrote: post #270

Linux was always exempt--because it's not an operating system.

Huh? An operating system, as defined by Andrew Tanenbaum[0], the author of both Minix and of the best operating textbook ever, is a combination of: - an "extended machine": provide usable abstractions over the hardware to reduce complexity to a manageable level - a "resource manager": provide for an orderly and controlled allocation of the processors, memories, and I/O devices among all the various programs wanting t…

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

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Post by iamnothere »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #280
codedokode wrote: post #138

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I think the header/metatag is designed poorly. The RTA proposal is that every operator of every site must verify the content and add the header to mark the site as "safe" or "unsafe". This is unnecessary burden that they have to bear if this proposal is given a green light and this is wrong. Instead, the default should be, that if there is no header or it cannot be parsed, then the content is unsafe. And if there is…

The problem with your proposal is that it's already the status quo. Various whitelists exist but service operators don't generally bother with these things. What you end up with is a largely unusable experience if you enable whitelist filtering. The core problem is the lack of buy in. Unfortunately that likely needs to be forced. I think it's not unreasonable to legally require people to make a claim about the nature…

Should books require an age rating?

What about spoken words?

What makes online speech different, from the perspective of the Constitution that limits the power of the state?

Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

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Post by crummy »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #52

Okay, let's flip it: why would Apple, Microsoft, etc.. agree with such a law? What would the trickle down be for browser makers and website creators?

Doesn't Apple already ask you for your age when you set up a new device? And I think Microsoft requires you to be 18 on your admin account.

Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

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Post by xbar »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #274
jamesgill wrote: post #270

Linux was always exempt--because it's not an operating system.

Huh? An operating system, as defined by Andrew Tanenbaum[0], the author of both Minix and of the best operating textbook ever, is a combination of: - an "extended machine": provide usable abstractions over the hardware to reduce complexity to a manageable level - a "resource manager": provide for an orderly and controlled allocation of the processors, memories, and I/O devices among all the various programs wanting t…

Linux is the kernel.
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