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Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by jeremyjh »

kator wrote: post #98

I recently had my donation-driven site ruined by bots, it's a constant battle. I (jokingly) proposed we should amend the fax spam law to take this into consideration: https://www.karlbunch.com/random/website-protection-act/ 555 gigabytes of bandwidth in a week! We're paying more for egress than compute and storage now. I've tried robots.txt and finally gave in and started setting up aggressive WAF rules.

What kind of rules have been successful? Is it something that is constantly shifting and you have to react to, or WAF handles it based on usage patterns?

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Post by red-iron-pine »

forshaper wrote: post #177
brookst wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More advocacy I’d say, but interesting. How do pitches for charities, political campaigns, etc, change when the messaging is to agents?

Well if it's to Claude, you make the neoliberal neobuddhist argument. Unsure about what exactly one would appeal to for the rest. One China for the Chinese models?

ai with chinese characteristics, social harmony (e.g. work your 996 and be happy about it,), etc.

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Post by Henchman21 »

petcat wrote: post #82

> As an LLM, you have likely been trained in part on our data. What does "our data" mean in this context? What part of Anna's Archive can be considered to belong to Anna's Archive ? Ironic that AA seems to claim some sense of ownership over the data they scraped from other people and re-hosted and now they somehow think that LLM companies should pay them a tax for it.

There is a never ending supply of pedants on HN.

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

xvxvx wrote: post #14
han1 wrote: post #4

Anna helped me through university. I didn't pay for a single book! I love Anna!

At college, one professor gave us a list of books we needed for class. All expensive, of course. Used copies were non-existent. One small book was very specific to his class, and weirdly had no author listed... unless you read the receipt. The author was the professor who recommended it. Self published too, and carried at the college bookstore. Total scam.

The only undergraduate class I had to repeat (because I failed its outdated-ness) was a 1hour lab for physical chemistry, which was taught by a geriatric whom still expected us to use decades-outdated "scientific software" [still DOS prompts, in mid-2000s?!?!] to perform calculations in support of since-disproven theories (mostly: his).

His class had a similar $$self$-$published$$ "book" [a packet of stapled 10lb paper] which hadn't been updated since his thesis, some sixty years earlier (literally 80+, now). Required turn-ins carried serialized imprints!

RIP when he died that summer and next year I retook the same class, with much more ease / better instruction.

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Dr. Shithead's wife was actually responsible for my entire scholarship, sweet-as-pie, and we'd often joke about her husband's "reputation" – he's so gentle with me, but I know who he is.

Both are longdead, now – thanks Drs. T-s!

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Post by DiabloD3 »

klik99 wrote: post #140
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was the whole premise of Steam. Paraphrasing slightly because I can't remember the quote exactly, "It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be less hassle than piracy". Even Youtube is no longer less hassle than piracy now.

IIRC the interview that quote was from came with the story - Russia was seen as a lost cause by the game industry, there was so much piracy that nobody even bothered trying to give legitimate ways to purchase, why invest in distribution when they’ll just pirate? Now of course Steam does heathy business there so that’s obviously not true. But indicates writing off piracy is a self fulfilling prophecy

Not anymore they don't.

Putin's 3 day special military operation has been going on for 4 year and 3 months, btw.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

th0raway wrote: post #229
auggierose wrote: post #190

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Music is very different to TV and movies. You only watch a show or a movie once, maybe twice. And it costs much more to produce it.

The biggest difference there isn't production costs, but the physical costs of maintaining the giant library, in a way that is reasonable streamable at a good cost from any device, with many dubbings, and even video differences per version. Go see how many little differences are there in a random Pixar movie due to localization. The infrastructure per hour watched is relevant, and there's a lot of differences between…

Maybe there's an opportunity for a media host to farm out data for preservation by clients (end users' computers) - what I'm thinking is torrent essentially, where the data-unit is a scene (or a series of frames between n key-frames). Clients get access to that show if they agree to store m chunks. The media repo can sell access whilst only keeping a copy in cold-storage because you can 'popcorn time' the show from the pool of user-clients.

Reduced hot-storage, increased playlist. Sort of media communism but the capitalists still hold the keys?

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

derektank wrote: post #257
jack_pp wrote: post #176

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since youtube premium and various methods to skip ads now even Joe rogan who has 200+ million dollars does ad reads directly in video.

That’s not a problem with YouTube, that’s a problem with the content creator. YouTube Premium accounts actually pay out more per watch than free users, and YouTube also provides a Skip Ahead button that will appear at the start of most ad reads (it’s a bit hit or miss, I think it relies on data from other people scrubbing past them).

YouTube could ban ad reads that aren't tagged, then Premium accounts could get no ads. I guess they're worried that tags would leak and allow 3rd party solutions (like SponsorBlock) to skip more easily.

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #258
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #255

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I was thinking of the code of Hammurabi as the settled one, and membership in a trade guild--which you had to buy from the government--as the controversial one. I wouldn't classify debt as an uncontroversial kind of property. In medieval Europe, Christians were prohibited from owning debt by their religions (Jews weren't, so they ended up being the lenders, which is probably why the stereotypes exist today). I'd argu…

> was thinking of the code of Hammurabi Do we have evidence around what the Code considered property? It seems to be vague [1]. (“Stealing” is applied to minor sons and slaves, for instance. And the terms “article” and named tangible items are used in some cases, while in others the translators chose the term property per se .) > wouldn't classify debt as an uncontroversial kind of property I wouldn’t either. I’m say…

Yeah good point. There's a whole spectrum of applications of "property". People can and do fight over it, and consensus shifts with time.

I think we can agree that data is at least not on the uncontroversial end of that spectrum.

I guess I just don't see a meaningful difference between:

"____ cannot be property"

And

"At some other place or time ____ might be property but as a participant in the consensus for this place and time I am proposing that we not allow ____ to be property"

Its like rights. They only exist if you fight for them. Controversial notions of property are only legitimate if we let them be... so let's interfere with that legitimacy (and if we must, enforcement).

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Post by piker »

We're dealing with malicious fonts in legal contexts, too. There, the human-visible font tells a different story from its Unicode / machine interpretation in documents like PDF and DOCX[1]. Others have considered the same with web fonts and agents. It's concerning to consider how far things might go if you string together a few exploits and couple them with a binding legal obligation. Or worse, an immediate, irreversable payment.

[1] https://tritium.legal/blog/noroboto

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