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Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Auction. Auction is the answer. Or, when a tour is announced, start tickets at 10X the regular price and have it drop down to the regular price over the course of a couple of weeks in a simple time based mechanism. After that, if tickets are not sold out it continues to drop until sold or it hits a reserve price for Door tickets. Good for artists, fair from a market perspective and gets rid of scalpers

Didn't you ever wonder why artists don't do that? Because they don't - at least not openly.

I think it's because extracting maximum value from your fans in the short term is not great if you want to have a musical career. The ones ending up with tickets will ideally, for themselves at least, be more or less indifferent to going to the concert: yes, they may get a lot out of it, but they also paid so much it was barely worth it.

Worst case, they will suffer from winner's curse, like auction winners often do: they won the auction because they were the ones who, more than everyone else, overestimated how much they'd get out of the concert.

Can you imagine the crowd mood if half the audience regrets spending so much money, and the other half is largely indifferent?

It's because artists dread this outcome that they hate scalpers, rather than becoming scalpers themselves.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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An actual transfer is needed when selling to someone you don't know/trust. But for the moms in your example, handing over the ticket just means temporarily handing over the account: share the password (assuming no password reuse habits), send over the MFA OTP, whatever it takes. It's not ideal, but it avoids the scalping that comes from more streamlined transfers; scalpers can't easily sell burner accounts if account…

That doesn't work, either. We can't assume that mom-passwords aren't being reused. We can't assume that mom-phones are secure. We can't assume that the requisite moms are even aware of the same kinds of things that we here on HN are aware of. We can't assume anything, except this promotes a new friction. But even then: So we're letting anyone in with a valid ticket-holding account on a pocket supercomputer, without v…

> We can't assume that mom-passwords aren't being reused. We can't assume that mom-phones are secure. We can't assume that the requisite moms are even aware of the same kinds of things that we here on HN are aware of.

Fair enough. So rather than mom1 telling mom2 how to use mom1's account on mom2's device, mom1 lets mom2 borrow mom1's device for the show. Not her main phone where everything is logged in, but a tickets-only device where the only thing she logged into was the ticketing app.

> this promotes a new friction.

Yes, but again, the alternative is letting scalpers have their way.

> So we're letting anyone in with a valid ticket-holding account on a pocket supercomputer, without verifying that they are who they say they are?

Yes, this is how tickets work. If you show ID, it's to be able to drink, and you're doing that with a different employee than the one who takes your ticket. Note that I'm not talking about will-call or guest list entry, I'm talking about arriving with a ticket. The shift from "dumb" paper/email/PDF tickets that can be shared freely to "smart" tickets that require an app that mixes something TOTP-like into your ticket isn't for the venue to know your identity, it's to prevent multiple people from showing up with the same ticket following improper duplication.

> This means that the scalpers have moved on from just selling tickets, and pivot over to selling entire ticket-holding accounts.

No, because creating an account requires a non-SIP phone number.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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> Examples: we still can’t manage playlists of albums, or down signal genres of music or even artists, or separate “calm” music for sleep from all the other generative playlist rankings they use. Youtube music thinks "videogame music" is a genre and lumps them all together, if you make the mistake of including even one song from a game OST any recommendations go out the window. For example, a "chill" mix with videoga…

This happens with Spotify too TBF. Listen to one single genre, suddenly the only thing you hear is from that genre. Whenever Spotify removed human curation from their recommendations to rely on more ML-algorithms was when it stopped being useful to me. Went back to trackers myself, only place where musical discissions/recommendations are actually useful and wanted.

It does, but hey the post above was complaining about recommendation apps in general so, yeah.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Don't really get why people are saying letting ticket prices rise to the maximum of what the market will bear, even if it's unaffordable to most fans, is the only solution. I've been attending shows by a certain Japanese artist since 2009, and e-tickets have pretty much killed scalping without preventing transfer to a friend (though it is a bit more annoying to do). I suppose in theory some scalper somewhere could be…

How do these e-tickets work?

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Concertgoer Bill of Rights - get bumped? Massive stipend, hotel room, free VIP ticket in future, & transportation+entry to a partner venue in the city with other music. They haven’t all universally built in overbooking as a critical part of their competitive price structure or whatever, and we can stop it before it starts. EU version for flights: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Passengers_Rights_Regulati...

Fair enough, I might just be extrapolating from a few of the larger American players in the industry.

Oh could’ve mentioned we’d have to fight so hard for that hypothetical legislation… your point was totally right

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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That doesn't work, either. We can't assume that mom-passwords aren't being reused. We can't assume that mom-phones are secure. We can't assume that the requisite moms are even aware of the same kinds of things that we here on HN are aware of. We can't assume anything, except this promotes a new friction. But even then: So we're letting anyone in with a valid ticket-holding account on a pocket supercomputer, without v…

> We can't assume that mom-passwords aren't being reused. We can't assume that mom-phones are secure. We can't assume that the requisite moms are even aware of the same kinds of things that we here on HN are aware of. Fair enough. So rather than mom1 telling mom2 how to use mom1's account on mom2's device, mom1 lets mom2 borrow mom1's device for the show. Not her main phone where everything is logged in, but a ticket…

Jesus. So mom1 now has two phones, just in case she gets sick and can't take the kids to the party.

I stopped reading after that. I'm not sorry.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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The UK is proposing a law that will make it illegal to resell a ticket for greater than the face value. That honestly seems like a very pragmatic solution to me.

So the scalpers will move to the black market and consumers will lose all existing protections? Nice!

Some scalpers will move to the black market. Most will quit. People dont want to go to jail.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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> We can't assume that mom-passwords aren't being reused. We can't assume that mom-phones are secure. We can't assume that the requisite moms are even aware of the same kinds of things that we here on HN are aware of. Fair enough. So rather than mom1 telling mom2 how to use mom1's account on mom2's device, mom1 lets mom2 borrow mom1's device for the show. Not her main phone where everything is logged in, but a ticket…

Jesus. So mom1 now has two phones, just in case she gets sick and can't take the kids to the party. I stopped reading after that. I'm not sorry.

I was fine with the earlier method which doesn't need that. I only concocted an alternative to address your disgust with it! The ID verification part that you skipped is much more interesting anyway.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Non-transferable tickets suck for their own reasons. Someone in a group gets sick or otherwise can't make it? Their seat is now either empty, or their ticket goes back to the pool. They can't give that ticket to someone else. That's a big deal for a whole slew of reasons. Let's pick just one reason and run with it. Five 11-year-old-ish girls want to go see Olivia Rodrigo. These kids haven't ever even been inside an a…

The UK is proposing a law that will make it illegal to resell a ticket for greater than the face value. That honestly seems like a very pragmatic solution to me.

Seems like that would be an easy thing to bypass. Include a free ticket with some overpriced merchandise. £600 for a T-shirt, but you get a free ticket with it.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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You are overlooking the secondary effect — what happens if you, a musician, a person who lives off having a positive public image, becomes known as the kind of musician who uses free market forces to effectively price fans out? Fans will not like it. It is not rational but nothing in music is. You win the pricing battle but lose the PR war. It's bad for your business and the entire business of concerts in the long ru…

Are the people who pay lots of money not fans?

Get a ticket to a premium area and count the "influencers" who are there just to produce content, instead of enjoying the show
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