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Shunning AI is the human choice

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Post by MisterTea »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #230
MisterTea wrote: post #207

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It's numerous. CEO's lying, ceo-ceo marketing - fire your employees and use AI, environmental impact, social impact, memory/chip shortages, theft of information which has placed a massive burden on site operators assaulted by scraper traffic. I'm sure I'm missing a few but the negatives are real but so long as people get to feel like 10x engineers, it's fine. Personally, I find AI technology itself super interesting.…

They're not firing employees to replace them with AI. We're mostly engineers here I think. Does anyone actually believe they're replacing humans with the same AI that we're using in our day-to-days? I don't know about you, but my harnesses absolutely suck without a human driving them and the more knowledgeable the human, the less they suck. It's obvious they're just using AI as cloud-cover to act like assholes in the…

If one person can become as productive as two or three, why keep the extra one or two employees? You might think that keeping the head count the same means the company can now do more but that is only true if the company has the bandwidth or market to grow into.

AI is in its infancy, it's just learning to crawl. There will be more breakthroughs which will have more serious consequences. Today engineers are safe, holding the AI's hand as it crawls around, bumping into furniture. What happens when it learns to walk, run, and win marathons?

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Post by hack1312 »

BosunoB wrote: post #235
user34283 wrote: post #189

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I often hear people talk online about burning data centers to avoid some capitalist dystopia. It just seems incredibly pessimistic to me. Who wants civil unrest? The rich elite does not want this either. We will pay people. Capitalism is not set in stone when human labor is no longer essential for productivity and AI can handle planning that markets currently coordinate through capitalism.

Exactly! The rich don't want to see mass starvation any more than the rest of us. We only permit homelessness and food insecurity now because of scarcity and a "just deserts" mentality where we blame people for their lot in life. When AI is doing the majority of labor, there will be no "just deserts" mentality, and there will be massive abundance.

This is plainly delusional. There already is abundance, global crop lands produce enough calories to feed twice the world’s population[0]. Greed is the reason for inequality and “AI” is not solving that. It is pure wishful utopian thinking to believe that there will be some massive AI-initiated abundance.

[0] https://www.oneearth.org/half-the-worlds-food-never-feeds-pe...

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Post by jasonlotito »

justonepost2 wrote: post #125
jasonlotito wrote: post #78

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Give me one anti-AI point that is ignored and/or not considered by "pro-AI" groups. I'm genuinely curious what it is.

I don’t know or particularly care what “anti-AI” thought leaders think. I don’t get my views from a camp. The person above believes that in a year, or 3 years, or 10 years that they will remain an “operator” of the AI, and that their creativity will be amplified at the expense of the dumb luddites who will be left in the dust. Very common in tech, more disappointing in the arts. This is incorrect - we will in short o…

> I don't know

You said it.

> or particularly care what "anti-AI" thought leaders think. I don't get my views from a camp.

You said this: "they had a point." So, "I don't know or particularly care what "anti-AI" thought leaders think." is clearly a lie.

> I don't get my views from a camp.

But you speak on it? Gotcha.

> we will in short order on the current trajectory see cognitive "dark factories" announced by hyperscalers or labs that produce an infinite stream of content, or software, or anything else and rapidly outcompete all human endeavor.

To think yourself so pathetic and useless is sad.

Regardless, my request remains unfulfilled.

> To some this is Human Progress, to me it's a dark age.

Why do you welcome it?

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Post by paulsutter »

If AI is overblown and permanently flawed, there is nothing to worry about.

If AI becomes as powerful as some fear/hope, productivity will be so high that we will need to do very little work for a superior standard of living. Costs for housing, healthcare, education will collapse, and there is nothing to worry about.

This article somehow tries to straddle both positions, that AI is fundamentally flawed and can never really accomplish useful work yet we should be angry and fearful.

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Post by onemoresoop »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #141

The hate around AI is entirely earned by the CEOs of the companies pushing the frontier models and integrating them into social media. Spending time and compute on generative audio and video was incredibly short-sighted. I think it was born of some arrogance that they were speeding towards the inevitability of AGI and now they're stuck with models that are as good as they're going to be due to poisoning, and very exp…

Let’s not forget about the total surveillance we’re heading into thanks to AI. I wouldn’t say the technology is the problem per say but everything around it is. AI could be used for good, if we only didn’t have psychopaths serving their own interests at the detriment of the rest of us

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Post by 7tflutter7 »

asklq wrote: post #90
splittydev wrote: post #2

These people are going to have a really hard time coming to grips with reality in the next few years. AI is here to stay, and it's expanding very rapidly. If you can't fight them, join them.

It bothers me that this is just the "deal with it" and "get on the rocket ship if you are offered a seat" argument. These are the exact arguments of the CEOs that were booed and the article correctly interprets it as giving graduates no choice or agency. Even if a technology is good like the German Maglev, it can ultimately find (almost no) buyers. AI tech isn't even good. It is a plagiarism instrument for those who…

So your master plan is to purposely work ten times slower than everyone else to prove a point to a CEO who doesn't know your name?

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Post by ModernMech »

Ampersander wrote: post #68
lccerina wrote: post #24

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People can't even be arsed to vote in elections. Nobody is going to be burning anything. There's Netflix to watch and doom to scroll.

At least in America, The 2024 (63%) and 2020 (66%) elections had the highest turnout since 2004. Political violence has been steadily increasing here since 2000. It's gotten to the point there are multiple assassination attempts on the President per year.

Moreover there was a spat of warehouse arsons earlier in the year. So for me, I would not be so confident in saying nobody is going to be burning anything.

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Post by dml2135 »

splittydev wrote: post #254
afavour wrote: post #103

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I think this attitude is part of the reason there's so much pushback. "it's here, it's staying, so shut up and like it". You're allowed to still hate something that ubiquitous. God knows a lot of people hate their jobs and have for a long time now! I think everyone should still be allowed to criticize AI. Criticism is good. Including for AI.

The same thing happened when we transitioned from horse carriages to cars. I'm sure a lot of people were quite outraged. But aren't we glad it happened? Sure, you're allowed to hate whatever you want. I never said they're not allowed to hate AI. I said they're gonna have a hard time in the future if they can't accept that the times are a-changing'.

Plenty of people don't like cars to this day.

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Post by bena »

d_burfoot wrote: post #178

Historians will tell you that in many ways, agriculture was the worst thing that ever happened to humanity. Agriculture meant hard, back-breaking, monotonous labor; it meant pests and disease due to population concentration; it meant a bland diet that did fully meet nutritional requirements; it meant social hierarchies of kings and priests. But societies that did not adopt agriculture were outcompeted and eventually…

Historians. Well, one. Well, he's not a historian. He's a biochemist and physiologist who has studied some anthropology.

It's Jared Diamond. That's who says agriculture was the worst thing that ever happened to humanity.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

I understand it’s trendy to like/dislike things, but the widespread disgust we have seen since day one that has refused to abate should be a clear signal that whether it is the technology or the implementation, this rollout or whatever you want to call it is simply not working and people are not buying in in the way they had hoped.
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