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Claude for Small Business

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Re: Claude for Small Business

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Post by AussieWog93 »

prawn wrote: post #269
AussieWog93 wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone in this situation myself who has used AI tools, Claude Code/Codex are useful for doing certain laborious tasks like bookkeeping errors/reconciliation issues but they don't replace a professional accountant. It's not just about being able to balance Xero but knowing rules, procedures and the way the tax office works.

For how long though? I like my accountant, but I use Claude Code enough to know the SOTA and potential, read through the Claude for Small Business skills and texted a friend "How long do you think accountants have?" - an Aussie half-wog

Honestly, I think we'll have professional accountants for decades into the future, but they'll become significantly more productive and better at spotting issues.

Claude still isn't at the point where I would personally trust it to be expert level in a field I'm not (very different story when I'm getting it to do something I do know about myself), and the risks of screwing up your reports far outweighs the cost of getting a human to go over things.

But 100%, I can see accountants that use Claude replacing accountants that don't.

(Also, if we're counting, I'm only 1/4 Wog. 3/4 grandparents are Anglos!)

Re: Claude for Small Business

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Post by chrisweekly »

sersi wrote: post #180
mattmanser wrote: post #172

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But at least you could basically follow their logic. I think what a lot of us are concerned about is that the vibe-coded stuff bloats fast. It's so verbose and all over the place, that picking that thing apart will be a huge job, and relying on an AI to pick apart work that an AI already failed to maintain seem like wishful thinking. It's literally "The AI is failing! Don't worry I'll just use AI to fix the AI!".

Yes, as long as context size increase and llm improve at least there's a way out through using AI but once the progress stops...

Huh? Even if progress somehow stopped, current models are already good enough to help -- and the quality of a given vibe-coded throwaway codebase will be higher the more recently it was created.

Re: Claude for Small Business

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Post by Ucalegon »

tclancy wrote: post #275
Ucalegon wrote: post #211

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We are talking about one person's introduction of a technology to persons and the implications of that action within the framework of enterprise governance and risk, it is one in the same. If anything, who a person is, their knowledge of the domain and the associated implications that action has on the domain has relevancy where someone who is ignorant of implications may have more grace than someone who has the expe…

What we are talking about is the conclusion you leapt to from 20 seconds of looking for evidence to suit a conclusion. Nothing in their comment "These are largely friends and peers, so they ultimately own their own risks" insists these are all people working in or on healthcare. Friends could be ... friends? Like the kind outside of work. And if someone is a peer (again, we have to assume the "at work" part), there i…

>Every executive/leader I've shown Claude Cowork to has gone from 'what is AI' to 'vibecoding whole apps' in weeks. [0]

I think this is where we have the issue in my tone and approach to my comments. My response was based off of the OP stating that the people who they were introduction were 'executives/leaders' and not 'friends', which has a very different connotation when it comes to information security, liability, responsibility, accountability, and ownership. It was only in their response to my question about risk ownership that they described the persons as friends.

If they had said 'friends' from the very beginning, instead of 'executive/leader' I would not have had the reaction than I did. The reason why I brought up HIPAA was because of 'executive/leader', since the idea of duty of care extends to leadership within any organization, especially those who are involved with healthcare, which they know based off of their company.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48131968

Re: Claude for Small Business

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

windexh8er wrote: post #240

> PayPal powers settlements, invoicing, disputes, and refunds inside Claude. > Intuit QuickBooks handles payroll planning, the monthly close, and cash-flow, along with tools to help businesses prepare for tax season, and reconciliation work that touches every other system. I can't wait for the horror stories, this is going to be fun. Remember last month when Anthropic was like: no, we're not going to refund you even…

I was thinking about this more and more lately. There is really no escaping this , because even if you are sensible in your choices your vendor or service provider may not be. It will introduce a new level of randomness to our interactions that as a society we may not be quite ready for.

From the more obvious possible issues: no payroll, massive refund overpayment, legally binding agreement that puts the business at disadvantage.

FWIW, I like the idea, but I sure as fuck would not let LLM touch real money or pieces that can allow to move it around.

Re: Claude for Small Business

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

adam_patarino wrote: post #276
0x6c6f6c wrote: post #274

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What are some of the alternatives that are worthwhile for this?

Gusto makes payroll zero clicks. I’ve used xero and quickbooks and they integrate with many banks and expense management platforms to automate closing.

Also, unless something changed, unlike other providers, they don't just sell your payroll data to data brokers.

Re: Claude for Small Business

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Post by BloondAndDoom »

throwatdem12311 wrote: post #238

There is going to be so many horror stories that will come from this, ie. Claude overpaid/underpaid my employees, Claude hallucinated the tax code and now the IRS is seizing my assets. etc… Murphy’s Law is undefeated. Add in a psycophantic hallucination black box to critical business data and you have a recipe for hilarity. Normies cannot be trusted to hand off these functions to an LLM because they are mostly incapa…

To be fair we are already having these kind of stories because of human mistakes or lack of competence. The question is like autonomous driving, is the rate going to be higher or lower or same.

Re: Claude for Small Business

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Post by Ucalegon »

infecto wrote: post #258
Ucalegon wrote: post #164

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>Every executive/leader I've shown Claude Cowork to has gone from 'what is AI' to 'vibecoding whole apps' in weeks. Do you, and those executives, own the risks associated with that practice? Are those risks actually indemnified? Its neat that 'anyone can do anything' but if they don't actually know what the risk to business or 3rd parties, why is this a good thing, especially in the enterprise where there are actors…

I found the Microsoft guy!

What does this even mean?
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