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Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by saagarjha »

Aeolun wrote: post #142
ninjin wrote: post #125

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> It's frustrating to try to interpret these stories with a lot of writing and video describing everything except the crucial detail about what the charges were for. Is it really a crucial detail though? As someone having lived in Japan for a long time, I see no reason why we can not discuss the fact that civil rights and detention treatment in Japan are lacking without resorting to "Do they deserve it in light of wh…

It is? Because the whole ‘is it awful’ thing hinges pretty strongly on how many options you were given to avoid it before going there. If I had the police over, was an ass, had them come back, was an ass again. Then at some point they’re going to just think I’m the person that’d run away while they conduct their investigation. I’m sure bad policemen exist in Japan, but all the ones I’ve met have been very friendly an…

Being a jerk to the police does not seem like it warrants them denying you of your rights.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by saagarjha »

nihonde wrote: post #181
kelnos wrote: post #169

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It doesn't matter what her charge was. Even (alleged/suspected) serial murderers and rapists should be treated humanely and not experience psychological torture. And also remember this treatment is at the point where they haven't been charged with anything, haven't been tried in court, and haven't been convicted. The US's justice system is certainly lacking in many, many ways, but wow, this is barbaric. And it's desi…

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You're not really doing a great job selling the country, that's for sure.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by saagarjha »

panny wrote: post #153
Waterluvian wrote: post #48

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> loud but normal argument you might see in any big box store in the US. I always assumed this kind of behaviour was cherry picked on social media. How “normal” is it actually?!

Completely normal. Happens all the time. My plane was delayed this week because of an unruly passenger on the plane before mine at the gate. My plane had to be diverted into another state while they sorted him out. The day after I landed, I was walking to get something to eat, and there was a bum fight at the road entrance of a Target. They had a disagreement about who could panhandle there. On the way home, some guy…

People do not normally run out onto the tarmac and get sucked into the engine of a plane. This made the news because of how rare it is.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by commandersaki »

VincePlatt wrote: post #271
ProjectVader wrote: post #51

For those interested, here is the YouTube channel of the author. She has several videos about her experience. I used to watch her channel, and after reading this article (although she never mentions her name), I clicked through a few more of her posts, and saw her photo and immediately recognized the name. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=175yRhSaNfU

The reasons for her detection appear really unfair and specious to put it nicely: https://youtu.be/Q2epTf2IW1g?si=ipy4m3rgFDw3b3cD

Before that timestamp she says there was an email that was asking for more information about the matter but she didn't have the information at hand or couldn't give it so she disregarded the email. That appears to be the impetus for deeming her a flight risk. I'm indifferent to whether or not that makes sense.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by tardedmeme »

gruez wrote: post #31
burgerone wrote: post #13

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We're just going to call more and more things faschist until the word has lost all its meaning

At this point it's just a synonym for "type of authoritarianism I don't like".

What would non-fascist authoritarianism be?

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by commandersaki »

reddozen wrote: post #242
idle_zealot wrote: post #213

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> Literally the central trigger point of the story The fact that you and other insist on this really gets at the crux of this whole problem. There are two notable positions on criminality and punishment: yours, which is broadly that the justice system exists, at least in part, to deliver righteous punishment on the deserving, and the position of those appalled by the treatment here, which is that the purpose of the j…

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You're getting downvoted to hell, but extraordinary claims deserves extraordinary evidence.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by commandersaki »

fzeroracer wrote: post #167
Aurornis wrote: post #130

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> Is it really a crucial detail though? Literally the central trigger point of the story. > For the record, I have not watched any video or read anything else about this individual. Nor do I intend to. Then I can see why you're not interested in the details

Is it a crucial detail? Can you explain why you need to know what she was arrested for, given that she says the charges were dropped?

Suppose it was CSAM in the mail, do you think a delicate touch is still warranted? The context matters.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by Jtarii »

simianparrot wrote: post #273
Jtarii wrote: post #267

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When the punishment for a crime is morally worse than the crime itself I think there is a problem.

The punishment should be harsher than the crime. Stealing an apple might not be a "big problem", but it sets a precedent that taking someone else's property is acceptable under some circumstances -- say, the relative value of said object.

I'm not talking about the severity of the punishment I am talking about the moral wrongness of the punishment itself.

Torturing someone for a month for maybe stealing an apple, keep in mind you haven't even been charged with a crime yet, is a morally bankrupt system.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by ehnto »

idle_zealot wrote: post #213
Aurornis wrote: post #130

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> Is it really a crucial detail though? Literally the central trigger point of the story. > For the record, I have not watched any video or read anything else about this individual. Nor do I intend to. Then I can see why you're not interested in the details

> Literally the central trigger point of the story The fact that you and other insist on this really gets at the crux of this whole problem. There are two notable positions on criminality and punishment: yours, which is broadly that the justice system exists, at least in part, to deliver righteous punishment on the deserving, and the position of those appalled by the treatment here, which is that the purpose of the j…

I think this is even getting ahead of itself, since the story is writing that you can be treated this way without yet being charged. Not knowing if the author "deserves" it puts you in the shoes of the detainee in either case, since the detention comes before assigning guilt.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by swat535 »

commandersaki wrote: post #287
fzeroracer wrote: post #167

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Is it a crucial detail? Can you explain why you need to know what she was arrested for, given that she says the charges were dropped?

Suppose it was CSAM in the mail, do you think a delicate touch is still warranted? The context matters.

It doesn't matter what the charges were , she was cleared from it. Doesn't Japan have innocent until proven guilty laws?

All this story does it makes me want to avoid traveling to Japan. I don't fancy getting picked up for jay walking and tortured.

What an awful system..

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