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Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Russia and the US are currently attacking and threatening their neighbors in their respective wars of aggression.

However, only russians are commiting war crimes almost daily to their neighbors.

I don't see how the distance is relevant.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Could just be monkey see monkey do.

Then it is monkey see, monkey do the same/similar policies on smoking control, LEZ, digital ID, children's education, red meat and fish consumption, alcohol consumption, women's rights and a whole host of other things. Some of these are good causes, some not so much. Some of them rely on an excluded middle.

Are you suggesting there's some shadowy cabal responsible for getting women the right to vote?

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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I understood the original intent. I just don't think it's a viable solution. The US govt has not been shy about borrowing and printing more money to do whatever they want.

That borrowing funds only the federal government, not the state government. The states don't get to borrow in the same way. Also, that borrowing will increasingly come with a high interest rate and high inflation.

Sure but these problems exist at the federal level too. And yes the consequences are real but it still happens and is why we can't just hit the federal govt in the wallet. For the time being, elections are still free, so voting is still the most effective way, but raising awareness of stuff like this makes people more aware of who NOT to vote for next office.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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There's tension between this law and the 14th, 5th and 1st amendments. Due process doctrine from the 5th and 14th establish unconstitutional vagueness. A law cannot be so vague as to be impossible to comply with. This law requires websites to enforce a ban based on information they don't have access to. Without explain how they might possibly achieve that aim, it can be considered unconstitutionally vague. The 1st am…

I'm not convinced. I use a VPN basically always, and frequently get blocked by VPN detectors. It's not perfect - sometimes switching VPN servers/providers gets me past it, but websites can employ VPN-detection technology. Then they just block you, which is what this is all about. Force companies to start blocking VPN traffic. It'll be at the individual site level for a while, then at the ISP level in a few years.

There are VPNs like Mysterium that specifically advertise being "unblockable" because they cycle through thousands of residential IPs instead of using a stable set of easily-blacklisted addresses. These will probably get more popular. Also, self-hostable proxies running on any cloud you want are already very easy to set up and use. And they can easily run on any platform large or small. It's just always going to be so easy to get around these rules for anyone who knows how to use a coding agent, which is basically as easy as using Google.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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What is the motivation for such a measure? In other words, which problem is it trying to solve? And how it is supposed to do so? I think that we should not carelessly invent laws that just "sound good" to some lawmakers but have no real fact checking done to support them and are not backed by science. Because, in my opinion, then there is a high risk that these "good intentions" will backfire spectacularly. While not…

I believe the perceived problem is that people in Utah are watching porn.

I see. Then I would ask a follow-up question: "Why is that a problem?"

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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They realized all the data on user behaviour is useless after trying to leverage on it with LLMs and now they go after seemingly new riches

Useless data?? There is a massive revenue stream that says this is completely off base. The data they have is already extremely valuable.

It all feeds into the bubble. Facebook and Co dont provide real value to people

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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I don't think that is accurate but you seem to have decided.

Which part of what I said couldn’t be argued in court by an ambitious prosecutor?

So that's the 'avalanche' threshold?

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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All you need is one and a good business model. Modern adblocking emerged exactly in the same way. The majority of people who use adblock have no idea what current techniques and methods are used.

Ad blocking isn’t illegal (yet).

Whether something is illegal or not has no bearing.

Righteous minds will figure out workarounds in the face of being told "they cannot/should not do ".

All you need is one contrarian.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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post #161

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All you need is one and a good business model. Modern adblocking emerged exactly in the same way. The majority of people who use adblock have no idea what current techniques and methods are used.

>a good business model What exactly does that mean when the entire business is inherently illegal?

Right, my bad. Illegal business don't exist.

Any other obviously bad-faith questions?

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