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Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Post by xbmcuser »

HappyPanacea wrote: post #275
xbmcuser wrote: post #230

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Tiktok was about only one thing and that was Israel losing the narrative war as unlike most of western social media which was deranking and censoring showing of Israeli atrocities to the world Tiktok was not.

No, there were efforts to ban TikTok well before Oct 7th 2023 in 2020-2021 by the first Trump Admin, and there was ongoing effort in 2022-2023 during Biden Admin. TikTok Agrees to Sell U.s. Operations, https://www.tiktok.com/en/trending/detail/tiktok-agrees-to-s... , 25 Dec 2022 Biden approves banning TikTok from federal government phones, https://www.npr.org/2022/12/20/1144519602/congress-is-about-... , 20 Dec 2022…

Are you gaslighting Israel has been committing a genocide long before Oct 7th. Reactions of people after the shock of Oct 7th wore off made Israel to actually do something about tiktok using its Israel lobby. The only one that can get both US parties do what it wants without much debate

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Post by strangegecko »

RobertoG wrote: post #123
strangegecko wrote: post #45

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They're doing a lot that goes against that strategy, you just don't see it in the headlines except in cases such as these or when you dig into how they conduct international negotiations or business deals involving the Chinese market. Not to mention how they are openly expansionist in the SCS and obviously wrt Taiwan. Of course they want to be seen as reasonable, their ideal is to control the international narrative…

So, who would you say that spend more resources 'controlling the international narrative', the USA or China?

I have no idea and for me it's not the central question.

I don't like it from any party, but from a moral standpoint, the more authoritarian someone is about their propaganda, the more invasive and violent it feels to me.

I perceive what the CCP is doing as denying my (and other people's) humanity and individual rights. I simply cannot accept a government that imprisons artists and human rights activists. A world where art is crime is not one I find worth living in.

I perceive American propaganda in the same category as advertising, harmful and annoying, but they won't lock me up or threaten my safety if I speak up against the propaganda. Well, at least that's how it used to be, who knows with the current trajectory.

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Post by strangegecko »

nikkwong wrote: post #209
RobertoG wrote: post #123

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So, who would you say that spend more resources 'controlling the international narrative', the USA or China?

China at least does it covertly. The US president broadcasts his madman narrative on Twitter for everyone to see.

Personally, I prefer the US approach. At least then everyone knows what they're dealing with and they can openly react instead of being forced into a fake dance between what is said and what is REALLY said.

The covert stuff gives some degree of plausible deniability and it causes a good amount of the population to be complacent and ignore reality. I don't see how this can be considered good for anyone but the people creating propaganda.

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Post by logicchains »

HappyPanacea wrote: post #272
culi wrote: post #246

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Down with all nation-states! Not the rallying call I expected but I'm here for it

I'm not sure why you specified nation-states when this is just as likely to happen in any state.

Like me they probably assumed nation-state was just another word for state.

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Post by [deleted] »

bdhe wrote: post #257
catcowcostume wrote: post #254

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Should countries also stop doing business with the US? With the UK? Countries act the same way to preserve the interests, it's just that you agree with the Western narrative.

I think it is easy to argue that the Chinese govt exerts pressure in "unique ways" - see Jack Ma's 180 in attitude after house arrest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ma#During_tech_crackdown Is there one CEO in the US or UK with a similar story?

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

nutjob2 wrote: post #258
Fricken wrote: post #178

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All states, by definition, are authorities that demand compliance. You're not saying anything that distinguishes Jack Ma's condition from anyone else's just about anywhere.

That is nonsense. There is the rule of law and there is the arbitrary actions of regimes that are a law unto themselves.

How much do you know about Chinese law, actually?

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

burnerRhodov2 wrote: post #212
Detrytus wrote: post #26

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That's interesting, because recently China is definitely trying to paint themselves as the reasonable, stable partner, commited to upholding international law (unlike the US, which is ruled by a madman) . Trying to block this aquisition without good legal argument goes directly against that strategy.

The United States is appearing "More Stable" on the international stage with recent events. Normal people might see it as ruled by a "madman", but on the international stage they know what it is... Projecting dominance and forcing the will of America. People seem to forget Iran murdered thousands of innocent civilians with automatic weapons being fired into crowds... and then you call our president a "madman" for des…

I dunno, he claimed to have already done that a few months ago. I don't have any confidence at all that this is his real motivation.

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Post by refurb »

ninjagoo wrote: post #228
strangegecko wrote: post #27

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What examples do you have of the US government doing to CEOs what has happened to people like Jack Ma and many other public figures? For China, there are so many examples of people doing 180s and being full of contrition after those interventions, it's hard to imagine anything but severe intimidation or worse happening behind closed doors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio

A guy committing insider trading ain’t the same thing

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Post by refurb »

maxglute wrote: post #59
reissbaker wrote: post #24

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You've been all over this this thread responding with the same whataboutist comments claiming America does the same thing. And yet, I'm pretty sure America hasn't held American citizens hostage in order to force them to unwind a sale of a foreign company they founded to a different foreign company.

US absolutely has exit bans on people who break/is being investigated for national security and export control laws, which is what Manus did. Except Americans don't call it hostage taking when they do it.

I think the big difference is rule of law.

When the US does it, you can appeal with an independent court.

When China does it those options don’t exist.

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