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US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Post by red-iron-pine »

ronsor wrote: post #188
Ajedi32 wrote: post #183

Based on the few snippets quoted in the article, I think as written this bill gets closer to a good, privacy-preserving, non-authoritarian version of "age verification" than any of the attempts so far. What it seems to be aiming for is essentially mandatory parental controls at the OS level. No ID checking or government/third party involvement, it just uses whatever age the parents enter when they set up the device/u…

> Trying to tell Bob Hacker writing an OS in his basement what features his code has to include feels a little too authoritarian for my tastes. This is the one thing that risks getting the law struck down by a court.

why do you think any court in MAGA America would allow this?

we know, for sure, that Clarence Thomas takes bribes. You think Facebook wouldn't cut him a check? Ditto for plenty of other Trump-installed justices on all levels.

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

Jamesbeam wrote: post #171
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lol what makes you think YOU won’t be the homeless person.

I got a house with a 25-year roof, an indestructible Japanese shitbox car I can repair myself from scrap if I have to, and enough in the bank at three to five percent to pay my taxes, all of my hobbies, eating steak every day if I wanted and my share of the universal multi-payer health care system in my country. That puts me for the rest of my life at a level of fuck you. And if the system breaks down, I’m just going…

Hahah calm down man. Google for “daddy chill meme”.

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

ranger_danger wrote: post #261
Jamesbeam wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got a house with a 25-year roof, an indestructible Japanese shitbox car I can repair myself from scrap if I have to, and enough in the bank at three to five percent to pay my taxes, all of my hobbies, eating steak every day if I wanted and my share of the universal multi-payer health care system in my country. That puts me for the rest of my life at a level of fuck you. And if the system breaks down, I’m just going…

Breathtaking entitlement, self-righteousness, and arrogance. Arrogance is usually a defense mechanism that you can't fix with logic... people use it to shield themselves from their own insecurities so they don't feel inadequate or threatened. If you can't see your own flaws, you can't understand why others don't like your behavior. "As a rule, strong feelings about issues do not emerge from deep understanding."

Haha I think he was just being humorous, expletives notwithstanding.

Know what gave it away?

> enough in the bank at three to five percent

I mean lol if he’s expecting banks to be around in a societal collapse situation he’s got another thing coming, wonder how the shitbox car will do when fuel runs out in 8 weeks worldwide. Mad max baby!

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Post by bloppe »

js2 wrote: post #276

Here's the bill straight from congress.gov: https://www.congress.gov/119/bills/hr8250/BILLS-119hr8250ih.... https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250... It's short and in plain language. The article is longer than the bill. Here's the totality of the requirements: (a) REQUIREMENTS.—An operating system provider, with respect to any operating system of such provider, shall carry out the following: (1…

I find it somewhat easier to read here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250...

I appreciate the brevity of the bill, but it delegates a lot of discretion to the FTC to regulate things like "How an operating system provider can verify the date of birth of a parent or legal guardian", so it's up to the discretion of someone in the executive branch as to whether GNU and/or Linux will have to scan your driver's license and upload that scan to some government contractor's servers, say.

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Post by red-iron-pine »

groovypuppy wrote: post #6
xt00 wrote: post #2

Do we know who is funding this? is this one of these things where Meta doesn't want the responsibility for this, so they are pushing to have the OS have the responsibility or something like that?

Meta. Specifically to undercut Apple.

nothing to do with apple per se

with age requirements for use of social media, Meta faces tremendous liability in many countries if they cannot do the verification correctly.

they don't want to do it, nor face the risks, so they'll push it to the OS.

they also know that banning under-16s means a huge market will be gone, so they want an easy-to-bypass OS fix. if their tween market gets around the hardware and OS it's not their problem, but Meta can't it if it's on them.

in other words lets annihilate the free internet and maybe democracy so we can lower our risk profile

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Post by rolph »

iamnothere wrote: post #141
laughing_man wrote: post #133

I'm glad I got to see the era where the internet was useful and exciting. I feel like every major change since about 2010 has pushed it more toward blandness and made it less useful. This will be a big one. They're building the groundwork for a world-wide dystopia.

Come join us on what I will call the “scatternet”, the globally distributed, offline-first, async network full of all the things that made the old Internet great. Save a few ISOs of still-free OSes and hoard a few extra cheap computers. (You might also want to get a 10Mhz capable radio.)

BBS was born, BBS has risen, BBS will come again.

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Post by rolph »

tencentshill wrote: post #275
Ajedi32 wrote: post #183

Based on the few snippets quoted in the article, I think as written this bill gets closer to a good, privacy-preserving, non-authoritarian version of "age verification" than any of the attempts so far. What it seems to be aiming for is essentially mandatory parental controls at the OS level. No ID checking or government/third party involvement, it just uses whatever age the parents enter when they set up the device/u…

So it's just an OS-level "I am over 18" checkbox. Essentially useless, except for removing liability from social media companies. As far as they know, every single device accessing their site legally testified they are over 18.

no its not, the bill also contains "for other purposes"

in present form its more than age verification, technically it could be for any other purposes.

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Post by sbochins »

All these bills about age verification have nothing to do with protecting kids. This is just an easier pill for folks that aren’t privacy minded to follow. In the end, all your online activity and offline activity (flock cameras) will be tracked, because it gives our politicians and national security apparatus the type of power they crave.

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Post by wakawaka28 »

vscode-rest wrote: post #257
wakawaka28 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people really need shit spelled out to them. This does a great job of doing that in a small package.

I doubt this sort of rhetoric will convince a modern audience. Reads like “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God”.

It's not the rhetoric that should convince you, it's the logic. The rhetoric here is purely to liven it up.

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Post by sph »

scrollop wrote: post #208
laughing_man wrote: post #133

I'm glad I got to see the era where the internet was useful and exciting. I feel like every major change since about 2010 has pushed it more toward blandness and made it less useful. This will be a big one. They're building the groundwork for a world-wide dystopia.

Perhaps we could leave the crappy public internet and build better things behind Tor/darkweb.

Perhaps we could leave the crappy internet and build better things in meatspace.
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