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Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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post #9

This is incredibly stupid, but don't laugh at Spaniards: your (and my) lawmakers are equally likely to enact similarly stupid laws. It's mind-boggling how stupid the world can be sometimes.

>enact similarly stupid laws.

No new law was enacted. The ISPs are enforcing a court order.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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post #30

Assuming that "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" is still the prevailing wisdom, what is Spain / La Liga doing wrong that sports piracy is so prevalent as to warrant this? It seems like a no-brainer to expand stream availability and charge appropriately for it vs. scheduling daily kneecaps of other economic activity.

Piracy is for teenagers and poor people.

I guess I just wanna feel young again.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DRM is completely ineffective. It simply increases the cost of "piracy," as well as legitimate actions like home backup, to about $200 USD. The worse they make it for legitimate users the more likely they are to just buy the necessary device and move on. The technical battle is not some limitless option that IP owners get to use, it eventually impinges on their core interests.

DRM is somewhat effective. I'm lazy enough about entertainment that I don't even bother with piracy. If content providers don't want to make it cheap and easy for me to watch then fuck 'em, I'll watch something else. I have a zillion other options.

Someone mentioned this previously in thread about how piracy (at least for sporting events) are a price issue. If they didn't charge an arm and a leg to watch (thinking of the NBA/NFL tv packages) they wouldn't have a problem.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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At what point does spanish internet become too unreliable? There was a thread the other day about someone's CI jobs failing due too this.

when connected health device cause a death I guess

you think that a few deaths would stop this? optimistic...

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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post #30

Assuming that "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" is still the prevailing wisdom, what is Spain / La Liga doing wrong that sports piracy is so prevalent as to warrant this? It seems like a no-brainer to expand stream availability and charge appropriately for it vs. scheduling daily kneecaps of other economic activity.

> Assuming that "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" is still the prevailing wisdom I don't have experience with broadcast media (in Spain, especially) but I a little experience on the software side: I could not believe the lengths some people would go to in order to avoid paying even $5-10 for useful software. Hours of work, sketchy cracks, downloading things from websites likely to compromise their…

Most software piracy is more convenient then what you describe.The warez takes pride in making the best cracks available.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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post #9

This is incredibly stupid, but don't laugh at Spaniards: your (and my) lawmakers are equally likely to enact similarly stupid laws. It's mind-boggling how stupid the world can be sometimes.

This has not so much to do with the law, but the execution of it.

It seems vastly inproportionate. And is likely severe overstepping.

The issue is that spain does not have a backstop. It is a completely institutional failure.

That's why you can laugh at them. Because this level of instutional failure should not happen where I come from.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder when businesses will start suing ISPs for the losses they incur while they're cut off from half the internet.

No one here is being "cut off from the internet" during the blocks, you grossly misunderstand what's happening here. If you're on a residential connection, during play of the matches, you can't access any of the Cloudflare IPs, but everything else keeps working as-is. Most businesses already migrated away from Cloudflare once these blocks started happening, so most of the affected people are the ones using services t…

I once had a day (and made a Tell HN about that too) where I couldn't access 3 of the links from the HN start page (and I didn't try all of them) during a match, because of that football IP block. It might not be half the internet, but I definitely felt like living in a country with massive censorship. And to me - given that I totally do not understand how people find watching football interesting in any way - for the most incomprehensible reason.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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post #235
post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re not automatically obliged to sell to other EU countries just because you’re selling in one. according to my understanding yes, you are: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/geoblockin... i don't see mention of any exception for streaming there either. (maybe one exists, if you have a reference, i'd love to take a look)

They call it "audio-visual". From the page you linked: > [...] services in sectors currently fully excluded such as transport and audio-visual

good catch, thank you.

if you look at the actual report summary however it shows that they want to change that:

https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-pub...

so even if not a reality in all sectors, removing geoblocking is in the interest of the EU.

going back to the original question:

Why should other EU members care what websites Spain allows their citizens to access? Does the "EU" even have authority for such a thing?

they do care, and they should, and yes, they have the authority.

personally, when i read the report, seeing how young people are more interested in viewing content from other countries, what first came to my mind is the increased integration of EU countries and cultures that comes from that. that's the why.

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