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US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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Great - but this will only until home distilling becomes popular in which case they will find a new reason to prohibit it. A company will produce a home-distilling gizmo with a fancy screen and app to go with it. They will raise some few $M's and have news articles written. Probably there will be a subscription consumable of some kind. Then there will be some bad press and they will make it illegal and the fancy home…

> Then there will be some bad press and they will make it illegal

Can't have the workers getting sozzled all day, there's work to be done

Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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post #261

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More like solvents at the hardware store

During the covid period, the price of hand sanitizer, which is thickened alcohol, rose to exceed the price of drinkable alcohol. Several beverage factories proposed to rework themselves to produce sanitizer instead, which would have been good for everyone. But they couldn't, because federal law would have required them to poison the sanitizer, which would have contaminated their machinery so badly that they would hav…

> But they couldn't...

This is false. Several breweries and distilleries started producing sanitizer basically overnight [0]. The requirement to add denaturing components to alcohol was suspended during the pandemic specifically to allow it [1].

[0] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/distilleries-aroun...

[1] https://www.ttb.gov/laws-regulations-and-public-guidance/pub...

Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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Missed in the previous discussion: methanol is irrelevant. Grain based ferments have essentially zero methanol.(And methanol risk is a function of its concentration relative to ethanol — the treatment for methanol poisoning is… ethanol!) even fruit based fermentations with significantly higher pectin concentrations only produce trace methanol, and it’s not all that well concentrated in a distillation due to azeotrope…

> even fruit based fermentations with significantly higher pectin concentrations only produce trace methanol

From https://actamedicamarisiensis.ro/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/...

> Only 18% of the tested 56 samples met UE regulation regarding methanol content of alcoholic beverages (0.4% in alcoholic drinks containing 40% ethanol). The highest concentration of 2.39% was found in a plum brandy. Plum brandies contained significantly higher amounts of methanol than brandies made from other fruits (0.91 vs 0.52%, p = 0.01)

Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like solvents at the hardware store

During the covid period, the price of hand sanitizer, which is thickened alcohol, rose to exceed the price of drinkable alcohol. Several beverage factories proposed to rework themselves to produce sanitizer instead, which would have been good for everyone. But they couldn't, because federal law would have required them to poison the sanitizer, which would have contaminated their machinery so badly that they would hav…

I swear there was one cheap sanitizer brand that smelled like tequila. Figured this is what they were doing.

Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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Do this one next: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich The Supreme Court somehow held that the feds can regulate what you do in your own home (in this case, growing marijuana for personal use) because it could have a butterfly effect on the interstate price. (Constitutionally, the feds can only regulate _interstate_ commerce.)

Many American treaties (with other nations) prohibit both/either parties from decriminalizing marijuana among other drugs. Links: discusses some of the treaties: https://www2.nycbar.org/pdf/InternationalDrugControlTreaties... History of illegalization of pot: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R44782

Treaties can't legally do an end-run around the limits prescribed to the government in the Constitution.

Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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Bought and rigged up a 'hand sanitizer plant' about five months into COVID. Populated the thing with thermocouples, load cells and automation with nodered on raspberry pi and a bunch of esp32s flashed with tasmota doing sensing and control. Everything talked over mqtt. Great little architecture and having it highly automated allowed me to focus on the parts that were less easily controlled for. Dashboard: https://img…

Have you tried putting the sanitizer in ultrasonic bath with charred oak chips? Asking for a friend.

Haha I actually have a bag of chips but never bought a bath large enough to be worthwhile. Started going down the juniper/citrus/rosemary/coriander/etc route instead.

Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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post #4

Missed in the previous discussion: methanol is irrelevant. Grain based ferments have essentially zero methanol.(And methanol risk is a function of its concentration relative to ethanol — the treatment for methanol poisoning is… ethanol!) even fruit based fermentations with significantly higher pectin concentrations only produce trace methanol, and it’s not all that well concentrated in a distillation due to azeotrope…

Was it missed or intentionally downplayed/ignored because people came into the discussion with priors that they were eager to maintain? Seems like these sorts of "yes it could be unsafe in theory but the reality of physics and incentives make this mostly irrelevant" type things get missed far too often certain parts of the internet to be coincidence. That said, the fact that it dropped on a weekend did it no favors t…

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Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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If you have a stock pot, a steel bowl that is large enough to sit on top of the stock pot, and a Pyrex measuring glass, you can start distilling now.

Put the glass in the center of the pot. Fill the pot with not enough mash to float the glass. Top the pot with the bowl. The condensate will form on the bowl and run towards the bottom center of the bowl, where it will drip into the glass.

I was able to distill a few bottles of home made apple wine that I had screwed up some additional flavorings on. It took a couple of hours for 3 or 4 bottles.

You'll have to do your own research on the finer details of making this work. I figured it out from first principles in the middle of doing it, so it's not that hard. Hell, people have been distilling for centuries, before they even knew what caused fermentation. Anything pre-Industrial Revolution peasants could do, I should be able to figure out in my modern house full of power tools. I'm not here to teach you how to do this, just inform that it's possible with equipment you likely already have.

Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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Republicans in Utah are also trying to remove the power from ballot initiatives because they're upset the Utahans passed an anti-gerrymandering initiative.

Yaeh this is a thing states do. South Dakota went in cahoots with the courts to cancel the ballot initiative to legalize weed, and California went in cahoots with the courts to sabotage prop 8 (the banning of gay marriage).

California Proposition 8 (gay marriage ban) was unconstitutional though, it was always likely to be struck down by the SC.

Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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Not explosive, but still a potential fire hazard, especially if a still gets way too hot (coolant system fails) and alcohol vapors escape. The risk becomes extremely minimal when using an electric still.

With an electric boiler, risk of fire is essentially zero. But if it did boil over due to cooling system failure, something else in the room (a spark from a relay, etc) might cause an explosion. This is why runs always need to be human attended and monitored, unless it is truly a bulletproof well tested setup that is designed for automated operation. The ultimate alcohol boiler for small runs is an electric water hea…

Truth! I converted my still to electric and would never go back to gas now that I know how easy the conversion is. Also uses air cooling so that almost no water is wasted.
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