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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by api »

huggerl88 wrote: post #272
rkomorn wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Political representation in just about every country (including Germany) already skews pretty heavily towards men. It also turns out that men tend to be more in favor of war than women. So whether codified in law or not, the power structure is already how you want it to be, and it's more likely to send men to their deaths.

>Political representation in just about every country (including Germany) already skews pretty heavily towards men. There is absolutely nowhere in the West where this is true. Even the suggestion that a politician advocates for men's rights would be the end of their career, meanwhile they endlessly twerk for women's votes with all of the right campaign promises of cash and prizes. Some countries even now have ministe…

This is… just false.

The US 2024 election saw the election of a whole regime of very male chauvinistic types, and that’s being as neutral and charitable as I can be.

In the EU there’s a number of fairly far right parties with adjacent views polling well with a chance to win significant representation in future elections.

Asia is very heavily male led, probably more than the West. Same with the Middle East.

Around the world most state and corporate heads and high level bureaucrats are male.

There has been, in the West, a push for more female representation and it has made some headway but the world’s capitols and board rooms are still very much a sausage party.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by ihsw »

mikkupikku wrote: post #159
orange_joe wrote: post #118

How does feminism survive if this becomes the norm? If young men feel like they're expected to give more to their society it's natural to expect renumeration financial, socially or politically. Nordic countries don't seem to have this problem, but their conscription laws are quite relaxed compared to what the future will likely hold. A declining youth population almost certainly means greater youth repression (higher…

How can a state survive if this weren't the norm? Why would men fight and die for a government that views their own wives and daughters as cannon fodder? If the government is conscripting men's wives to war, is it really in the interest of men to risk their own lives to protect that government? If the government took my wife and sent her to war, I'd sooner firebomb a government office than join up to fight for the go…

How does a state survive if refugees/immigrants are imported en masse and then the state becomes so dysfunctional to such a degree that its male citizens must be conscripted to fight and die for it? Surely this is a recipe for disaster.

I would sooner die for my family and my country but I wouldn't lift a finger to save the lives of refugees/immigrants.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by lrasinen »

rvnx wrote: post #196
analog31 wrote: post #164

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Can it be challenged under the European constitution?

I wouldn't trust the European Union to be the one that will challenge that German mobilization register at all. COVID-19 has proven that if anything, the European Union tends to spread national initiatives among other countries (and Germany is often a leader in EU). In this specific case, the EU is more likely to be the type of organization that would think about how to create a unified permit -> as they did with the…

Humbug. Defence policy, especially how the EU member states choose to organize their military forces, is very much in the hands of the individual countries. A majority of the member states don't even have conscription anymore.

Yes, there is the common security and defence policy, and the Article 42 of Lisbon and all that, but it all still relies on national systems.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by Krasnol »

analog31 wrote: post #164
fabian2k wrote: post #127

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Because it would take a change to the constitution to do that while reinstating the old draft laws only takes a regular majority in parliament. The draft is a severe limitation of personal freedom, so you can't just do that by law. The draft for men is already enabled in the constitution, the draft for woman isn't. At this moment, changing the constitution is not possible, there is no majority for this. So that prett…

Can it be challenged under the European constitution?

I wonder why it is so trendy to want that.

Yeah, the law is unjust but spare even this part of the population this unnecessary risk. It's not like they can't join if they want to but why put force on it? So everybody feels miserable? What's the point?

And yeah, ich habe treu und tapfer verteidigt...

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by QuantumNomad_ »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #256
QuantumNomad_ wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole existence of the EU has its background in the end of WWII. > 18 April 1951 – European Coal and Steel Community > Based on the Schuman plan, six countries sign a treaty to run their coal and steel industries under a common management. In this way, no single country can make the weapons of war to turn against others, as in the past. The six are Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg.…

Absolutely not. What you quote is beside the point and irrelevant. Defence and the military is a sovereign matter that has nothing to do with the EU... except we are seeing that this is changing without democratic national mandates.

How can it be irrelevant when the quoted text is from a website about the EU, written by the EU itself?

This is the EU describing its own history and beginnings.

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Post by Lucasoato »

qayxc wrote: post #275
bilsbie wrote: post #221

“ Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.” - Universal Declaration of Human Rights https://www.ohchr.org/en/human-rights/universal-declaration/...

And this regulation violates this how exactly?

Because if you need a written confirmation that may conditionally not be given, you don’t actually have the right.

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Post by School-Cotton »

missedthecue wrote: post #161
mothballed wrote: post #147

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Well women are the rate limiting factor in having more men produced for war fodder. It probably makes more sense to ban birth control at the same time men are required to die for the war machine as both would then be playing out their slavery-induced biological role in ensuring survival of the nation. That is if you're down with the whole slavery for war thing.

Biologically true, but probably not in practice. Do we think Ukraine will compell women to repopulate postwar? It won't happen.

That’s essentially what the commenter is proposing when talking about banning birth control. This would be equivalent to compelling women to reproduce (or forego sexual relations, which in reality most people won’t do).

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Post by lrasinen »

analog31 wrote: post #164
fabian2k wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it would take a change to the constitution to do that while reinstating the old draft laws only takes a regular majority in parliament. The draft is a severe limitation of personal freedom, so you can't just do that by law. The draft for men is already enabled in the constitution, the draft for woman isn't. At this moment, changing the constitution is not possible, there is no majority for this. So that prett…

Can it be challenged under the European constitution?

If there were one. The closest thing is the Treaty of Lisbon, which in turn was an update on the Treaties of Maastricht and Rome.

However, the matter has been heard in the European Court of Justice in 2002, and the short version is "Community law does not preclude compulsory military service being reserved to men."

For more details, feel free to study the legal opinion behind the ruling: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by jbm »

machinekob wrote: post #126

This is only for citizen not refugees/immigrants so both MEA and NA folks can chill.

Dunno how it is in Germany but quite a few of my non white friends wound up in the Canadian Army.

I don't know why immigration is brought up in this conversation at all.

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