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Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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I’ll never understand why they ruined GitHub. They had everything they needed - the one place in the world where 99% of open source projects were hosted, where all the discussions happened. A product that people were so used to that it was a no brainer when it came to hosting private repos. And they had to ruin it and give space to GitLab and other competitors. What a waste…

Their goal was to have a captured audience. Once the audience is captured, of course enshittification will happen.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Because it's Microsoft. Categorically incapable of respecting their users. What's interesting to me is how many people went like 'Oh, Satya really gets open source, this time it will be different'. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17225599

I am not sure it is that. The job of Microsoft is to satisfy shareholders. That is the only target. They only care about users to the extend that helps the shareholders.

In other words, the world beyond the next quarter does not exist.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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I’ll never understand why they ruined GitHub. They had everything they needed - the one place in the world where 99% of open source projects were hosted, where all the discussions happened. A product that people were so used to that it was a no brainer when it came to hosting private repos. And they had to ruin it and give space to GitLab and other competitors. What a waste…

Not to white-knight microsoft here, but I think the problem they run into with every product is that because of their ubiquity, they rapidly reach saturation with most every specialized product they sell. You cannot grow a business if your market is saturated, even if you're the only one selling. So they have to find a way to expand their market. With specialized tools, that's done by generalizing, right? And anyone who has ever driven a screw with a swiss-army knife can tell you, generalized tools never work as well as dedicated tools. Thus, Word ultimately sucks. Windows ultimately sucks. Github ultimately sucks. They are all of them trying to be everything for everyone, because the alternative is just mumbling along, being really good at being tools, but being really bad at conveying profit to their creators.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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The worst part of Microsoft is whoever is running their marketing department, they just inject themselves into everything, like Windows. GitHub is different, they will 100% lose users and income if they don't learn to back the hell off of it though. Windows, well, everyone complains about Windows no matter what, so valid complaints are ignored. With Office, well, your employer is paying for it, so you have no say in…

> It's clearly the marketing dept at Microsoft swoops in and poisons all their software, who else would be doing this? Capitalism (and it's demands of the market) at its finest.

You can be a capitalist without ruining your product.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Admiration and respect are great and a clean conscience lets you sleep well at night. It still doesn't help to make up for the profound demoralization you experience when you realize that unscrupulous people are making millions completely unpunished, nor does it help the people who get persecuted, bankrupted or even outright killed for trying to oppose the never ending corruption.

Again, none of that contradicts what I said. It frankly feels like you’re trying hard to justify to yourself why you do things you know deep down aren’t right. You do you, whatever helps you sleep at night and get through the day, I guess. Maybe you get demoralised by the state of the world and feel like giving up. Others see the same thing you do and are pushed towards action. Sometimes they are able to improve the…

> It frankly feels like you’re trying hard to justify to yourself why you do things you know deep down aren’t right.

The opposite. Watching borderline criminal people and even actual criminals be much more successful than me honestly makes me depressed and sometimes makes me curse my upbringing. I could be a lot more successful than I am right now if I was sociopathic enough.

I live in a country so corrupt the supreme court is not only involved in but is actively covering up scandals literally right now. The only people who mustered enough balls to protest them are in jail right now for a coup attempt, and some of them have already died in prison.

So I just don't blame people anymore when they just give up and start playing the game.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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I’ll never understand why they ruined GitHub. They had everything they needed - the one place in the world where 99% of open source projects were hosted, where all the discussions happened. A product that people were so used to that it was a no brainer when it came to hosting private repos. And they had to ruin it and give space to GitLab and other competitors. What a waste…

Not to white-knight microsoft here, but I think the problem they run into with every product is that because of their ubiquity, they rapidly reach saturation with most every specialized product they sell. You cannot grow a business if your market is saturated, even if you're the only one selling. So they have to find a way to expand their market. With specialized tools, that's done by generalizing, right? And anyone…

> You cannot grow a business if your market is saturated

At some point, a business should shift from growth state to a steady state. The idea that businesses have to grow forever is a sad consequence to how we fund companies.

The only thing that grows forever unchecked is cancer.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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I guess it's time to consider ditching GitHub. Everything that are purchased by Microsoft ware destined to be rotten.

For personal stuff I hopped over to source hut and it's fine.

Simple, direct, and I really like the email based workflows.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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And nobody has ever bought anything just because of an ad. You either already knew about shit through some other way or you were going to buy it anyway. Only people downvoting this will be the ones who perpetuate this Emperor With No Clothes racket. It's just a thin veil for surveillance.

People buy things because of ads all the time. Probably you've done it too. I go out of my way not to buy products advertised to me, but I've definitely fallen to the incessant brain-washing of brand advertising. Probably regular advertising too depending what you include as adverts. I was surprised speaking to someone the other day, just out and about. They'd purposefully gone out to buy doughnuts they'd seen advert…

I have never once bought a product because of an ad, unless the ad was telling me about something I didn't know existed. Perhaps others are weak-minded enough to do so, but not everyone is.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

#289

I’ll never understand why they ruined GitHub. They had everything they needed - the one place in the world where 99% of open source projects were hosted, where all the discussions happened. A product that people were so used to that it was a no brainer when it came to hosting private repos. And they had to ruin it and give space to GitLab and other competitors. What a waste…

it's not that deep, once a company reaches a certain size it gets ridden with middle managers looking for their next promotion. middle managers are gonna middle-manage.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Not to white-knight microsoft here, but I think the problem they run into with every product is that because of their ubiquity, they rapidly reach saturation with most every specialized product they sell. You cannot grow a business if your market is saturated, even if you're the only one selling. So they have to find a way to expand their market. With specialized tools, that's done by generalizing, right? And anyone…

> You cannot grow a business if your market is saturated At some point, a business should shift from growth state to a steady state. The idea that businesses have to grow forever is a sad consequence to how we fund companies. The only thing that grows forever unchecked is cancer.

Can also be a tree. Growth does not mean customers have to be disrespected. It just happens to be an easy way out for companies.
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