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Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by Pay08 »

fromMars wrote: post #197
gregoryyy wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually - it's not Israeli influence. It's pro-Israel influence. Important difference. This includes lobby organisations funded or founded by wealthy Jews, conservative Christian lobbyists, pro-arms trade interests, and geopolitical interests (essentially Israel acts as a US military proxy they can use to keep the middle east in check). Not quite Israel secretly pulling strings (which is quite rightly dismissed as t…

Agree with your post. As a Jewish American, I have been advocating that it would be better for Americans and even Jews if we stop sending money to Israel and put political pressure on Israel to abandon illegal settlements, end the war on Gaza and work towards a resolution of the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Unfortunately, this POV doesn't seem to be widely held by many woth influence.

A 2 state solution is still wildly unpopular amongst Palestinians (both in the West Bank and Gaza), and since 10/7, is now a minority opinion (although still the plurality) amongst Israelis[1].

They also did try as recently as 2009, not that you'd have heard about it[2].

Also, the aid money the USA sends to Israel doesn't disappear into nothing any more than NASA's funding does. American aid to Israel (and to most places in the world) hinges on the condition that they only use that money to buy from American companies.

[1]: https://www.pcpsr.org/

[2]: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articl...

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by ifwinterco »

Pay08 wrote: post #279
ifwinterco wrote: post #275

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"Sovereign is he who decides on the exception" - Carl Schmitt. Always different rules for Israel vs. any other "normal country", and that in itself tells you all you need to know

Indeed. Israel is the only country that can get the majority of UN condemnations for merely existing.

The UN is irrelevant, when it comes down to it Israel has had the support of the most powerful country in the world (the US) for the last half century, despite doing basically nothing that's been in US strategic interests.

That's at a cold hearted strategic level, not even mentioning the war crimes, genocide and general moral bankruptcy

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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JumpCrisscross wrote: post #166
Gud wrote: post #161

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Israel controls no strategic resources, unlike the other allies the USA has in the Middle East. Your comment completely ignores the long history Israel has of rigging the US elections by funding their pet congressmen.

> Israel controls no strategic resources Israel is, to use a Pacific-theatre term, our unsinkable aircraft carrier. A better Pakistan. > long history Israel has of rigging the US elections by funding their pet congressmen Americans were, until recently, pro Israel. The funding worked because amplifying anti-Israeli sentiments among electeds lost them votes. Now that that balance of perceptions has shifted, the effect…

You can look at the FARA website, Israel barely spends money on lobbying. Hungary spent more last year than Israel did. They simply don't need to.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by kelipso »

verdverm wrote: post #270
kelipso wrote: post #242

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How do you square your opinion with multiple NoKings days at the top of the list of largest protests in US history? Perhaps that there are mini demonstrations (as you have described) every day is a sign that the frustration is more persistent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_and_demonstra...

The size of these “protests” compared to their complete lack of results proves my point.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by kelipso »

tartoran wrote: post #260
kelipso wrote: post #242

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What do you suggest instead?

Actual disruptive protests that have actual goals.

Having a roadside party with signs and calling it a protest is just pathetic, ineffective, and embarrassing. These people simply are not serious people.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by pvaldes »

epolanski wrote: post #84

It's insane the power and influence Israelis have. In the US it's blatant, from the insane amounts of money and weaponry sent to Israel (why are american taxpayers subsidizing Israel exactly? It's not like they are neither poor nor US owes them) to the recent events in the middle east. But even in Europe. Here in Italy the coalition government has multiple high profile politicians that just happen to be shareholders…

Same in Spain with prominent figures of the right. Diaz Ayuso the president of the Madrid autonomic region and a very powerful figure in the right party, has been particularly combative for months to refuse to see a genocide in Gaza, or tried to justify it with nail and teeth. Then her connection with some Israel millionaires was disclosed, and now she is suddenly very quiet about the theme. Not more party invitations, it seems.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by pvaldes »

Pay08 wrote: post #279
ifwinterco wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Sovereign is he who decides on the exception" - Carl Schmitt. Always different rules for Israel vs. any other "normal country", and that in itself tells you all you need to know

Indeed. Israel is the only country that can get the majority of UN condemnations for merely existing.

Yep, UN sanctions deployed on Israel for invading other countries are much worse that when Russia invaded other countries (sarcasm). UN really tried to set an example here.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by pvaldes »

verdverm wrote: post #63
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wrote: post #3

I wonder when people will stop being scared to speak out. Is it once they lose their job due to stolen data? Is it once Palantir decides they are a threat and they lose their freedom? Is it once they lose their own land? Is it after starting the 10th war?

NoKings is this weekend, millions are speaking out together

A lose of time and rage.

NoKings starting a new political party around the movement, or explaining how to do it to people, so youngsters can fire the GOP for good... that would change the game. THAT would send the clear message that politicians will hear with fear.

But marching, not, It will not change anything. Is just distracting the frog in the bath for a little more, while the slow cooking coup continues. Unless the politicians think that they personally have something to lose, they will not care.

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