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Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by oa335 »

rayiner wrote: post #191
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This seems to reveal previously-unknown range of Iranian ballistic missiles and, if true, could touch basically all of Europe True but they have also literally launched multiple orbital satellites from iran on iranian rockets. Eg. The Noor 2 spy satellite and before that the Noor 1 series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noor_2_(satellite) These are in orbit to this day. They regularly post images it takes of US milit…

The downplaying of Iran’s capabilities is a weird kind of racism IMHO. In the modern view, Iranians have been categorized as “brown” so people lump them together with Somalians and Afghans. But Iran is a technologically and politically sophisticated country. In terms of the Civ tech tree, it’s higher than any middle eastern country except Israel.

> The downplaying of Iran’s capabilities is a weird kind of racism IMHO.

Agreed, but it’s not at all surprising to me. Propaganda means that people will project fictitious motives and capabilities on their opponents, even if they are internally inconsistent (e.g. Iran must be attacked because they will threaten the USA mainland vs Iran’s missiles are very inaccurate and barely hit anything).

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Post by flyinglizard »

einszwei wrote: post #109
cardanome wrote: post #22

Accusing Iran of "lashing out" and being "reckless" by attacking US bases while the US and Israel literally murder school children, bomb hospitals and assassinate state leaders is rich. It didn't have to be this way but they decided this to turn into a fight of survival for Iran and destroy any option for a peaceful resolution. Now they are going to pay the price.

Your comment made me realise that while Iran has attacked a dozen countries, they have yet to attack a school or a hospital. Not condoning anyone but shows the priority of both sides.

Here's a kindergarten Iran attacked just today: https://www.jns.org/news/israel-news/iranian-cluster-bomb-hi...

The fact Israel has a very effective defensive system (active and passive) does not mean Iranians avoid civilian targets.

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Post by breppp »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #257
anramon wrote: post #240

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>from a misguided refusal to be impressed by the regime's reputation You have to thank the actions of the genocidal State of Israel that anything below it is somewhat acceptable. Reaping what they sow themselves.

> Reaping what they sow Israel and Iran somewhat independently came to the conclusion that they’re the regional hegemon, and that protecting that position is worth any cost.

I would see this war as the end of a string of wars initiated by Iran through Hamas in October 7.

This left Israel similar to the USA post 9/11 or Peal Harbor. On a streak to make it never happen again in a very decisive/brutal way. Hegemony wasn't the moving factor for Israel, at least until very late in the war, and due to the same reasons

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Post by undersuit »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #192
netsharc wrote: post #46

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Unfortunately it's we who will pay the price, with "we" being the entire world, considering the destruction of a lot of oil production infrastructure will cause a price hike for everything.

TBH I am a little more concerned about people dying from the conflict than paying a bit more for gas

What about the people who will die because they cannot afford the higher prices that will come from a disruption in gas supply?

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Post by alephnerd »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #80
alephnerd wrote: post #25

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> This isn’t a random act and its quite the signal if you know what it means, Iran knows what it did here. It also publicizes Iran-NK military cooperation on ballistics development, which the Biden admin warned about [0], as well as Iran-Russia military cooperation (which was obviously much less under-the-radar). It also shows the merger of the Ukraine conflict with the West Asia conflict, and was a major reason why…

Agreed, there’s so much intelligence in this act it’s really astonishing

Yep. This action wasn't intended for the average HNer or Redditor to pontificate about.

Those who they wanted to send a message to got the message, and it's a significant message up the escalation chain.

Additionally, the fact that this is being very publicly disclosed and discussed in British media in a manner that RAF Akhrioti wasn't is also a massive signal.

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Post by tuna74 »

ttul wrote: post #190
mmmm2 wrote: post #172

To me this is like the Doolittle Raid on Tokyo during WWII. The tactical result isn't important, the range of the strike is, and that it happened at all. Japan thought it was immune from air attack on the home islands in 1942, and the raid shocked them. Iran is showing the world (especially Europe), that it's more vulnerable than it thinks. Europe has more skin in the game than just the price of oil and nitrogen. Als…

Strategically, it seems like a dumb move. Right now, Congress is unlikely to approve Trump’s request for $200B to fund the war effort. But if Americans can be convinced that Iran could somehow hit American cities, they would call their members of Congress in a heartbeat and that money would presumably flow without interruption. Why time the medium range missiles now? It seems like yet another own-goal for this desper…

Or the US could just stop bombing Iran? Then there would be no reason for Iran to attack American cities.

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Post by tuna74 »

spaghetdefects wrote: post #30
anvuong wrote: post #23

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The IRGC is fighting for survival, most Iranian want them gone, and Iran will be better as a whole if the IRGC is all dead. Don't try to conflate the government with the country, they don't always align.

Most Iranians do not want the IRGC gone, that's US/Israeli propaganda. Thousands of people have been marching in support of the IRGC. Common sense would also tell you that Iranians aren't going to support the people bombing their schools.

It is impossible to know how may Iranians want the IRGC gone. But bombing schools (and bombings in general) will definitely increase the support for it.

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Post by jandrewrogers »

GordonS wrote: post #213
jandrewrogers wrote: post #206

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> The US and Israel have been carpet bombing Iran No they haven't. The US started phasing out carpet bombing[0] half a century ago. You discredit yourself by making such trivially falsifiable assertions. The US and Israel use precision strikes. It is why the ratio of targets per sortie is by far the highest ever recorded in a major conflict. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpet_bombing

Look at the videos coming out of Iran - civilian infrastructure and residences are clearly being targeted. Some unexploded bombs have been found that lack a JDAM guidance package. And regardless of the USA, Israel is most certainly not above carpet bombing civilians.

Again, that's not "carpet bombing". Carpet bombing requires a type of aircraft that Israel doesn't have (though the US does).

Why would you expect a precision bomb to have a JDAM package? That is not the only type of guidance package. In fact, most of the footage I've seen (largely Israeli) has clearly been laser-guided bombs. They aren't the same thing, and the latter is more precise than JDAM in any case.

Use of precision-guided bombs in a city is not "carpet bombing".

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