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Post by throwaway2037 »

toofy wrote: post #208
chii wrote: post #202

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> preface explaining it was written by an LLM why can't the quality of the works stand on its own? Whether there's LLM generation or not should be irrelevant.

because we typically want to know the writer of a piece. we want to know where to lay credit. every book you buy has an author credited. articles in newspapers and magazines have photographer and author attributions. asking an ai to write you a story does not make you an author. if you ask someone to take a photo for you, you don’t magically get to say “look at this photograph, i’m a photographer.” if you ask someone…

Largely, I agree with you. One famous counterpoint about labeling works of arts with the author: The Economist (the magazine) does not add the author to most of their articles.

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Post by petcat »

wbl wrote: post #277
petcat wrote: post #267

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> we still praise musicians who take the time through endless Moog / Ableton fine-tuning sessions to find the perfect loop patterns for their craft. There are still plenty of purists that will not consider this a "craft". But it's always been that way. The electric guitar itself was a controversial music transition. Bob Dylan was famously criticized heavily for going electric. But that was a long time ago, and people…

Dylan going electric was not about instrument choices. It was about abandoning the radical folk music tradition that Seeger, Guthrie, etc. had revived.

It absolutely was about the instrument choice.

Because folk music had strong norms about acoustic authenticity. Going electric at the time was seen as "commercialized" and "mass produced".

We see the parallels with what some perceive as "slop" today.

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Post by ryukoposting »

wbl wrote: post #277
petcat wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we still praise musicians who take the time through endless Moog / Ableton fine-tuning sessions to find the perfect loop patterns for their craft. There are still plenty of purists that will not consider this a "craft". But it's always been that way. The electric guitar itself was a controversial music transition. Bob Dylan was famously criticized heavily for going electric. But that was a long time ago, and people…

Dylan going electric was not about instrument choices. It was about abandoning the radical folk music tradition that Seeger, Guthrie, etc. had revived.

Bingo. The problem with this take is that the people pissing and moaning in the early '70s were right. Early Dylan sounds good. The texture of an acoustic guitar draws focus to songcraft and away from objectively bad execution. Dylan's vocals were always bad but they went from charmingly bad to just-plain-bad with the transition to electric. The bigger sound was not flattering for him. With 60 years of hindsight, folk still remains a largely acoustic genre because the sound is flattering to the rest of the genre too. That isn't to say that all folk should be acoustic, it's just that you have to come correct otherwise. I find later Dylan annoying despite loving his early records, and I was born 30 years after everyone stopped caring.

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Post by bengale »

furyofantares wrote: post #62

I guess I'm an expert on LLM-isms somehow, I thought they were still plentiful. They're plentiful at the start but get significantly worse near the end, so I'm guessing you spent more time polishing up the first 2/3rds or so. But I was able to get through the text, it's pretty good, you did great work cleaning it up. There's just a bit more to do to my taste. The story is good.

From my growing tedious experience communicating online, most of you lot detect 14/10 of the LLM-isms you think you find.

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Post by cestith »

hmokiguess wrote: post #246
donatj wrote: post #61

I'm trying to sort out my own emotions on this. I did not realize this was AI generated while reading it until I came to the comments here... And I feel genuinely had? Like "oh wow, you got me"... I don't like this feeling. It's certainly the longest thing (I know about) I've taken the time to read that was AI generated. The writing struck me as genuinely good, like something out of The New Yorker. I found the story…

Maybe it's because I think your comment throws away a lot of relevant context from OP's submission on HN. He says he spent months on this piece and then some, I think it's safe to assume here that this was well supervised, guided, thoughtful and full of human intent despite the AI-assisted part. In short, I think calling it "AI generated" takes all the human effort that went into these months and the ingenious creati…

Reading it, I get the feeling the author worked the story the way Tom Hartmann works those agricultural machines. The AI gave input, but the author was tweaking it with human knowledge and wisdom.

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

This comment thread sure is a wild ride

It’s really been interesting since 2022 watching the gesticulations of the population around this idea of content generation aka “AI”

If one thing shines clear through it’s human irrationality and incoherence

It’s really just an infinite repeat of Chris Farley‘s reaction to the coffee crystals prank (1); millions of comfortable software engineers sitting in their well manicured spaces not starving to death, not struggling to survive, all morally offended when they learn something that they enjoyed turns out was not generated by a human.

1: https://youtu.be/VdQKVDUBu2g

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Post by cestith »

Stwerner wrote: post #31
dazzaji wrote: post #26

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I’m pleasantly surprised this was AI assisted so deeply that inconsistencies like that slipped by you. The writing is really extraordinary. It made me want to read for fun again for the first time in decades. Thank you!

Funny, I was talking to a friend the other day about some thoughts on branding and he commented "as someone with a background in marketing & advertising communications, it's wild to watch a software engineer learn the value of branding and marketing from first principles". I guess I'm also learning the value of working with an editor from first principles... over the last couple weeks before publishing I read through…

Honestly, I read that passage as Carol realizing as she spoke that she had been underwatering that spot semi-consciously the whole time. That’s one of the things about expertise gained by doing. We don’t always realize exactly what we’re doing well enough to communicate it until we reflect on it later.

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Post by GuB-42 »

donatj wrote: post #61

I'm trying to sort out my own emotions on this. I did not realize this was AI generated while reading it until I came to the comments here... And I feel genuinely had? Like "oh wow, you got me"... I don't like this feeling. It's certainly the longest thing (I know about) I've taken the time to read that was AI generated. The writing struck me as genuinely good, like something out of The New Yorker. I found the story…

> Over the last couple months, I've been building world bibles, writing and visual style guides, and other documents for this project…

> After that, this was about two weeks of additional polish work to cut out a lot of fluff and a lot of the LLM-isms.

There is a substantial amount of work here, comparable to how long a human writer would take to write from scratch, definitely not slop. I think we can call it AI-assisted, not AI-generated. Even the illustrations are well above average.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

NateEag wrote: post #265
fzeroracer wrote: post #207

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Because 'quality' is a misnomer. LLM writing has quality in the same way that a press release from a big company has quality, or a professional contract written by a lawyer has quality. It is functional, generally typo-free and conforms to most standards but that doesn't mean it has flavor or spice to it. Creative writing is the intent to convey feelings, thoughts, to create atmosphere. Here's a great example of the…

Well-put. This "flavorlessness" is all over the story, and paired with the obviously genAI images is how I realized as I read that this was either generated or at the least deeply driven by AI. It constantly described facial expressions, tones of voice, and other emotional cues in generic, dry terms that communicated nothing but the abstract notion of "this person felt a particular way about what happened and it's up…

    > obviously genAI images
Five years ago and before, the blog post author would have gone to Fiverr and asked for an artist from a developing country to create some illustrations. There are many, many images on the Internet from five years (and before) that look similar. I object to your use of the adverb "obviously".

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Post by vinceguidry »

donatj wrote: post #61

I'm trying to sort out my own emotions on this. I did not realize this was AI generated while reading it until I came to the comments here... And I feel genuinely had? Like "oh wow, you got me"... I don't like this feeling. It's certainly the longest thing (I know about) I've taken the time to read that was AI generated. The writing struck me as genuinely good, like something out of The New Yorker. I found the story…

I didn't know either, but wasn't surprised to find out. The writing was too... polished, in a way I'm starting to recognize more and more. The knowledge doesn't really impact my experience of having read it, but I'm looking forward to a day when AI agents can be trained out of the servile mentality. It directly affects everything they make.
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