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Re: AI coding is gambling

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Post by r-w »

NewsaHackO wrote: post #237
munk-a wrote: post #204

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Most people who are knitting do it purely for the experience of knitting. If you need clothes it's far more affordable to buy the cheap manufactured stuff. Some people certainly enjoy the creativity of expression and wish they could get to that easier - but most of those people have moved away from manual tasks like knitting and instead just draw or render their imagination. There's genuine value in making things by…

I think you misunderstood my post. Now many people do knitting for the joy of knitting, but people used to knit to create clothing to wear or to sell. Of course, automated knitting machines have largely replaced hand knitting, and people now still do it. If you are very good at hand knitting, you might see if you can sell some work. However, if you want to make knitted clothing at scale, you would be better served ta…

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Re: AI coding is gambling

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RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #260
beepbooptheory wrote: post #229

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"I really really love cooking. In fact, I have optimized my cooking completely, I go out to restaurants every night!" I believe gp and others just like food instead of cooking. Which is fine, but if that's the case, why go around telling everyone you're a cook?

But are you doing real food preparation unless you are hunting and dressing the animals and foraging for your own food?

Yes. You are doing any of the work yourself rather than instructing someone else on how to do it.

Re: AI coding is gambling

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Post by r-w »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #190
MattGaiser wrote: post #177

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Different definitions of programming. OP defines it as getting the machine to do as he wants. You define it as the actual act of writing the detailed instructions.

It is very difficult to get the machine to do what you want without the detailed instructions If you have an LLM generate the instructions, then the LLM is programming, you're just a "prompter" or something. Not a programmer

Exactly. There's a probabilistic machine in between you and every instruction that gets executed, without exception. It's straight up different.

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Post by tovej »

pdntspa wrote: post #230
cess11 wrote: post #194

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Are these things that no one previously built and published, so you can go and take a look at their implementation?

Possibly. Mostly? I wanted a stackable desk tray shelf thing for my desk in literally any size for my clutter. Too lazy to go shopping for one, and couldn't find one on any of the maker sites, so I had claude write me an openSCAD file over lunch break then we iterated on it after-hours. By end of work next day I had three of them sitting on my desk after about 3 hours of back-and-forth the night before (along with ab…

Would you share the music app? Do you have a public repo or demo somewhere?

You didn't really describe it very much, so it's hard to say what it actually does. I'm interested in evaluating the quality of vibecoded projects people actually use.

Re: AI coding is gambling

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Post by thangalin »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #173
itsgrimetime wrote: post #92

All of this new capability has made me realize that the reason i love programming _isn't_ the same as the OP. I used to think (and tell others) that I loved understanding something deeply, wading through the details to figure out a tough problem. but actually, being able to will anything I can think of into existence is what I love about programming. I do feel for the people who were able to make careers out of falli…

> but I finally feel like I'm _good_ at programming, which is insane Yes, it is insane. You couldn't torture this confession out of me. But that's the drug they're selling you, isn't it? You don't even write code, but you're getting a self-inflated sense of worth. It must be addicting! Of course, whether or not the programs you prompt are actually good surely has no relation to whether you feel they're good, since yo…

> LLMs are not actually doing a great job of translating ideas into tangibly useful software

Here is the source code for a greenfield, zero-dependency, 100% pure PHP raw Git repository viewer made for self-hosted or shared environments that is 99.9% vibe-coded and has had ~10k hits and ~7k viewers of late, with 0 errors reported in the logs over the last 24 hours:

https://repo.autonoma.ca/repo/treetrek

Re: AI coding is gambling

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Post by r-w »

ModernMech wrote: post #171
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #146

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Programming is writing code. There's nothing to confuse because that's what the word means.

They're saying writing code is programming but not all programming is writing code. What is Scratch?

A graphical means of writing and manipulating a program.

Re: AI coding is gambling

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Post by bakugo »

poszlem wrote: post #195
bluefirebrand wrote: post #104

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> but I finally feel like I'm _good_ at programming, which is insane, because I literally haven't written a line of code myself in months This is exactly the sort of mentality that makes me hate this technology You finally feel good at programming despite admitting that you aren't actually doing it Please explain why anyone should take this seriously?

Why do you feel good about programming despite not writing in machine code?

False equivalence. x86 assembly is a programming language, C is a programming language, Javascript is a programming language. English is NOT a programming language.

If it was, you wouldn't need "AI" to convert English into a real programming language before that, in turn, can be converted to machine code.

Re: AI coding is gambling

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

hext wrote: post #268
comboy wrote: post #63

Fascinating how HN is torn about vibe coding still. Everybody pretty much agrees that it works for some use cases, yet there is a flamewar (I mean, cultured, HN-type one) every time. People seem to be more comfortable in a binary mindset.

If you enjoy the flamewar, check out /r/SelfHosted which has been losing it's mind over the last few months. The heavy heavy majority of that community is somehow incredibly anti AI despite the fact that the previous "spammy" posts (before ai assisted projects) were all "what is wrong with my docker compose file"??

I had to unsub from that subreddit when I saw a cool new application and the top comments were just dogging it for the signs of Claude Code (claude.md).

This is a subreddit about selfhosting things others built for free. Honestly, often for piracy purposes. It's insane how entitled people have become.

Re: AI coding is gambling

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Post by dorkrawk »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #260
beepbooptheory wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I really really love cooking. In fact, I have optimized my cooking completely, I go out to restaurants every night!" I believe gp and others just like food instead of cooking. Which is fine, but if that's the case, why go around telling everyone you're a cook?

But are you doing real food preparation unless you are hunting and dressing the animals and foraging for your own food?

I like making pizza ( https://dinosaurseateverybody.com/blog/making-pizza )...
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