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Post by pardon_me »

gzread wrote: post #204
Terr_ wrote: post #151

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I'd rather have a system where there's a small investment cost to making an account, but you could always make another. Imagine A system where there's a vending machine outside City Hall, you spend $X on a charity for choice, and you get a one-time, anonymous token. You can "spend" it with a forum to indicate "this is probably a person or close enough to it." Misuse of the system could be curbed by making it so that…

Something Awful made you pay $10 for an account. Directly to the forum. If you got banned you could pay another $10 to try again. Somehow this didn't lead to that bad incentives even though you'd think it would.

Ban reason and the moderator name were public on Something Awful, which allowed the community to respond (actively or passively), and for more senior moderators/admin to take public action against rogue moderators. The transparent audit trail countered the incentive to ban somewhat, but a lot of people also treating getting banned as a game.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by Angostura »

Terr_ wrote: post #151
JimDabell wrote: post #149

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> people are letting bots act on their behalf (moltbook is a great example of this) and what's to stop people doing that in the future. Verifiable credentials; services can get persistent pseudonymous identifiers that are linked to a real-world identity. Ban them once and they stay banned. It doesn’t matter if a person lets a bot post inauthentic content using their identity if, when they are caught, that person cann…

I'd rather have a system where there's a small investment cost to making an account, but you could always make another. Imagine A system where there's a vending machine outside City Hall, you spend $X on a charity for choice, and you get a one-time, anonymous token. You can "spend" it with a forum to indicate "this is probably a person or close enough to it." Misuse of the system could be curbed by making it so that…

When Digg restarted, you had to pay $5 to create an accoun

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Post by boca_honey »

mschuster91 wrote: post #218
gzread wrote: post #197

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I still haven't been able to figure out how to make an account without it being immediately shadowbanned or normalbanned. Tried again the other day, it was something in between where logged-out users could see it was banned but I couldn't.

You need to ditch and replace all your devices and acquire a new phone number. I'm serious. Virtually all large websites these days employ a lot of fingerprinting and persistence technologies. And yes, ditch them. Even well over a decade ago, Wikipedia of all places already employed IP address matching to link sockpuppet accounts. You must be extremely careful of never using any device that was associated with your o…

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Post by enoint »

gzread wrote: post #207
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #121

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I've asked ChatGPT a question about something I read in a thread here and it responded with a comment from that thread, even though the thread was less than an hour old. HN is well known in the tech community and there are certain subjects, especially anything involving Israel or India, that nearly instantly result in a flood of comments from bad actors. HN isn't Reddit but it's also a shadow of what it once was, whi…

Search engines seem to index HN in near real time. They must have custom scraping code to follow the incrementing post IDs.

Claw plugins for HN APIs arrived pretty early.

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Post by Springtime »

int32_64 wrote: post #49

I would pay cash for access to a social site that bans all US politics, the astroturfing associated with it is simply unbearable.

There's a forum (HardForum) where they've taken a kind of opposite approach: people pay to access private forums where they can talk about politics and random things while the public-facing boards remain tech focused.

Basically incentivizing those who feel strongly about things to just pay up to talk about them in an exclusive area, which also keeps the site ad-free. Been apparently working for 25 years.

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Post by qingcharles »

dangus wrote: post #269
tlonny wrote: post #171

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HN may not be “mainstream” but it is certainly _very_ vulnerable to bot spam given the topics discussed and the make-up of the audience. You can already see it happening now - at least the bots that write like vanilla Claude/ChatGPT. Presumably there is a much larger hidden cohort of bots that are instructed to talk more naturally and thus are better adept at flying under the radar…

I would say that HN has a lot of features that would be seen as draconian in how much they limit your interaction by other platforms. You can barely comment before you are rate limited. You can’t upvote until you’ve been around a pretty long time. New accounts are given a green badge of dishonor that makes users scrutinize their comments more. I’m not saying these are bad things but they’re probably too restrictive f…

The karma points you get on HN are worthless, which I think is a bonus. They don't buy you anything. On Reddit, for instance, many parts of the site are walled off until you have "farmed" enough karma to participate.

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Post by r0fl »

mvkel wrote: post #272

The patterns were there if you knew to look for them. The original Digg excepted, Kevin Rose's attention span is extremely limited. He will give something ~3-4 months of attention before (apparently) getting bored and wanting to move on to something else. Up until that point, he will be an unrelenting hype man of whatever his attention is lasered on at that moment. Then the hype posts start to drift. They show up onc…

Milk

Moonbirds

Digg

Too comfortable with money in the bank to give full attention to a new venture.

I'm done falling for the Kevin Rose hype train. Long time fan but this is just pathetic.

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Post by Gud »

Torwald wrote: post #231
Gud wrote: post #196

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Thanks for the kind words! I got encouraged by another HN poster a few days ago, let me know if you have any suggestions. I’m always open to criticism.

I got: > Failed sending verification e-mail to XXX@XXmail.XXX, please contact administrator on stonky@stonkys.com

Thanks for the info, I’ll fix it tonight

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Post by direwolf20 »

duckkg5 wrote: post #59

Digg may have a bot problem but Reddit isn't far behind. So many subreddits are full of slop that they've become useless and/ or completely unreliable. What's an actual viable solution to this kind of thing? CATPCHAs aren't it. Maybe micro-fees to actually post things would discourage bot posting? I really don't know. Seems like it's just dead internet all over the place these days.

Without irony: accept the death of the internet, and touch grass
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