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Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by bdangubic »

ladberg wrote: post #264
dan-robertson wrote: post #260

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Why does being a top AI researcher so often come with this philosophical bent you describe?

You are paying the smartest people in the world to think really really hard, and turns out they might also think really really hard about not making the world a worse place

Is this really the case though? How many smartest people do you really think are there that fit this narrative?! I want to believe there are at least some but I think they are minority in this group… otherwise I think all these pretty much evil corporations would have a awfully difficult time attracting talent? maybe some do but…

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by cladopa »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #200
vessenes wrote: post #191

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There's some texture here. Elon's enriched pretty much everybody who's ever worked for and invested with him. He makes money for people throughout his orgs. Many ex-employees have said to me: "incredible opportunity, made great money, worked insanely hard, once is plenty".

Ask the people at Twitter..

You mean the 80% of the workforce that was fired and the company continued running just fine?

Usually just firing 3 to 5% of any company workers have terrible consequences for the company that does it.

It does not speak so well about the workers.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by hermanzegerman »

natch wrote: post #253
throwaway5752 wrote: post #184

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Musk * gave a Nazi Sigg Heil salute (twice) at a political even, on video. Famously. * has consistently supported a German political party that re-uses Nazi slogans, minimizes or outright denies the Holocaust, minimizes the criminality of the SS * frequently and consistently upvotes posts on X echoing white supremacist and Nazi ideology on his social media site * owns the most popular site for neo-Nazis To say "is no…

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Okay, so what you're saying is that you don't have an argument to back up your opinion and just ignore the other arguments because they could endanger your opinion

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by mattbillenstein »

Imnimo wrote: post #125

I think the problem for xAI is that it can really only hire two types of researchers - people who are philosophically aligned with Elon, and people who are solely money-motivated (not a judgment). But frontier AI research is a field with a lot of top talent who have strong philosophical motivation for their work, and those philosophies are often completely at odds with Elon. OpenAI and Anthropic have philosophical ni…

This is becoming the problem with all of his businesses - Tesla has a crazy valuation and it really seems like they're having huge trouble getting Robotaxi going in Austin given the very slow progress there.

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Post by tibbar »

lich_king wrote: post #277
Imnimo wrote: post #125

I think the problem for xAI is that it can really only hire two types of researchers - people who are philosophically aligned with Elon, and people who are solely money-motivated (not a judgment). But frontier AI research is a field with a lot of top talent who have strong philosophical motivation for their work, and those philosophies are often completely at odds with Elon. OpenAI and Anthropic have philosophical ni…

Anthropic, maybe, but what is the philosophical niche of OpenAI? Their only consistent philosophical position about AI is "let's make more money".

I think OpenAI is more of an aesthetic. Very... Apple-like, polished, with an eye towards making really cool stuff. And aesthetics are a type of philosophy.

This is less noble than how Anthropic presents themselves but still much more attractive to many than XAI.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by mattbillenstein »

cladopa wrote: post #282
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask the people at Twitter..

You mean the 80% of the workforce that was fired and the company continued running just fine? Usually just firing 3 to 5% of any company workers have terrible consequences for the company that does it. It does not speak so well about the workers.

He also cut 80% of the traffic... And the fact that it kept running with him willy nilly pulling network cables is a credit to the work they did to make it resilient to failure.

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Post by hermanzegerman »

siva7 wrote: post #268
hermanzegerman wrote: post #263

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Because they can afford it, they are very sought after. And smart people usually have moral convictions. I know for some people on this website it's hard to understand, but not everything in life is about $$$

I'm smart and you can buy my morals. So what?

Those people get paid so much anyway that they don't have to compromise their morals.

I guess that's not the case for you and me

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by asddubs »

ladberg wrote: post #264
dan-robertson wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does being a top AI researcher so often come with this philosophical bent you describe?

You are paying the smartest people in the world to think really really hard, and turns out they might also think really really hard about not making the world a worse place

it's not working

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by Braxton1980 »

kvetching wrote: post #275
jazzpush2 wrote: post #249

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In an interview with xAI I was literally told that certain parts of the model have to align with Elon, and that Elon can call us and demand anything at anytime. No thanks!

I don't see the problem with this. The chatbot is the most important part of Grok, so it makes sense Elon would be dogfooding it then providing suggestions.. He wants it to be truthful... It was shown on benchmarks recently that it hallucinates the least...

>He wants it to be truthful

How do you know this? Why would you believe him considering the massive lies he's told, for example about the 2020 widespread election fraud

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