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Post by HDThoreaun »

dominicrose wrote: post #193

The USA and Israel should've went after the Iranian regime a long time ago. What we're seing now is the price of procrastination and weak past presidents. Imagine if multiple Western countries allied early to correct this regime (and not just with sanctions).

Because that worked so well in afghanistan? You are talking about a ground invasion of a theocracy with 100 million people and considerable oil wealth. This move has been tried many times now, it never works, and iran is a much tougher opponent than vietnam or afghanistan or ukraine.

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Post by HDThoreaun »

moi2388 wrote: post #182
CapricornNoble wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram is full of gigantic rallies all hours of the day and night supporting the Iranian government. Even street interviews with young women (no hijab!) claiming they were formerly protesters but aren't going to tolerate foreigners bombing their country. Do you have some solid sources on the ground to the contrary?

All the Iranians I personally know. About 15 families.

Every expat is an expat for a reason. They are in no way representative of what people living on the country think.

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Post by consumer451 »

p-o wrote: post #11

Why did we have to go through all this pain. Was that really necessary? And given we mostly talk about technology here, let me put this through that lens: With all the technology advancement and improvement with access to information in the last 30 years, why does it feel that all of this culminates to more disinformation, more pain, and less understanding?

> With all the technology advancement and improvement with access to information in the last 30 years, why does it feel that all of this culminates to more disinformation, more pain, and less understanding?

One of the original adages in technology is:

    garbage in, garbage out.
The more technology ate the world, the bigger a problem that became.

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Post by dominicrose »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #281
dominicrose wrote: post #193

The USA and Israel should've went after the Iranian regime a long time ago. What we're seing now is the price of procrastination and weak past presidents. Imagine if multiple Western countries allied early to correct this regime (and not just with sanctions).

Because that worked so well in afghanistan? You are talking about a ground invasion of a theocracy with 100 million people and considerable oil wealth. This move has been tried many times now, it never works, and iran is a much tougher opponent than vietnam or afghanistan or ukraine.

By going after the regime I don't mean ground invasion but anything that helps reduce their abilities. Afghanistan would definitely be a bigger problem today if the USA let it play out.

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Post by constantius »

Schmerika wrote: post #268
mrguyorama wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No actually. There's no real "resource" justification here. This is directly caused by technology. Morons have helped the worst possible people build surveillance and coordination and propaganda networks and are all confused pikachu about that going exactly the way you should have expected it to go. Technology was also bypassing the "resource" problem at warp speed. Solar panels are the energy future, and thanks to C…

You still think this problem is one sided? Dems had Trump dead to rights for insurrection. They had everything in the Epstein files and didn't drop it. They told you they were working tirelessly for a ceasefire - while unilaterally vetoing 4 of them at the UN. Genocide. They armed genocide . Which we could all see on our phones. They loved arming it so much, they decided they'd rather keep arming it than gain million…

A controversial take unfortunately.

Americans are under the delusion that Democrats are the second coming of Christ, even after it enabled and took part in genocide. To anyone outside of the West, the differences between the two parties are inexistent.

The memoryholing of all Democrats' failures, corruption, and horror is painful to watch. But they do it with a different kind of posturing, and this seems to be sufficient to most.

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Post by Timon3 »

epistasis wrote: post #265
Hikikomori wrote: post #245

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This time he has his own brown shirts, even fast tracking to to service without any training. DoJ had been getting their hands on voter rolls from swing states. Bondi and other trump top advisors and relocated to living on military bases. Idk where it's going but it's really not looking good.

Yes, it's going to look bad, and Jan 6 was just a trial run. Now all those criminals that have been freed are in the ranks of a supposed "police" force that self-equips from US Patriot Tactical. But there's not enough of them. Even for Minneapolis, a mid-size city. There might be a few targeted attacks, lots of voter intimidation, but the US is a very big place, and the ranks are too small, and their popularity is ti…

There's more than enough of them to materially affect election outcomes. The number of votes you'd have to change to flip the outcome of the last few elections was very small, and the parties have a very good idea of which locations they'd have to disturb to achieve the greatest effect.

Now imagine you're a voter who shows any signal of potentially being Dem-aligned - for example a slightly darker complexion, or maybe dyed hair. On your way to the polling station, masked ICE goons "scan your face" with their AI apps, and the apps tell them you're illegal, so they put you into a van and drive you to a holding facility.

What recourse do you have? Even if they let you go the next day, you've lost your vote. And that's not a given, what if they hold you for weeks or months? How many people have others who depend on them, so they can't risk this?

I don't mean to sound dramatic, but if anything like this happens (and there's basically no way it won't) the fascist takeover is complete, and your only recourse left is civil war.

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Post by tim333 »

dingaling wrote: post #246
cyberax wrote: post #188

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Why would it be outside of Iran capabilities? They are the ones who provided Russia with Shahed drones.

> They are the ones who provided Russia with Shahed drones. Shaheeds are aerodynamic clones of the Israeli Harpy SEAD drone, which in turn were based on the German Dornier DAR of the 1980s. Compared to the loitering anti-radar DAR, the Shaheed is electronically extremely simple and not much more advanced than the WW2 V-1. The fact that Russia started producing Shaheeds reflects more on the poor state of Russian indus…

Ukraine have underwater drones https://militarnyi.com/en/news/ukrainian-underwater-drone-to...

Could be a copy of those? They don't look that complicated - tube with explosives, battery, electric motors, some sort of computer/radio control. Not so different to a Shahed in complexity.

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Post by steveBK123 »

orwin wrote: post #271
steveBK123 wrote: post #70

This boondoggle is going to make Iraq 2003 look well planned.

Iraq was well planned. Since 53 the US plan the first days of the war extremely well. This is the first time a US war has gone this bad, this fast. It usually took months.

We didn’t prepare for the most obvious responses - closure of hormuz (we are now saying we will have ships in place by end of month to escort tankers, nor filled the SPR at low prices and now have less ready to release) and drones (scrambling to purchase anti-drone tech from Ukraine).

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Post by olelele »

dominicrose wrote: post #284
HDThoreaun wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because that worked so well in afghanistan? You are talking about a ground invasion of a theocracy with 100 million people and considerable oil wealth. This move has been tried many times now, it never works, and iran is a much tougher opponent than vietnam or afghanistan or ukraine.

By going after the regime I don't mean ground invasion but anything that helps reduce their abilities. Afghanistan would definitely be a bigger problem today if the USA let it play out.

This is such a weird take. Huge amounts of refugees displaced from Afghanistan, a US pullout that left their allies in the country to their own devices. 20+ years of funding drug lords and war lords, doling out wads of cash. It went nowhere. The US made no real efforts to fix afghan infrastructure or any real problems the country was facing. The taliban beat the biggest military force in the world with very small means. Read up on the relationship between the mujahideen, Carter&reagan admins and the Soviet afghan war.

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Post by orwin »

dragonwriter wrote: post #278
orwin wrote: post #269

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Not all his children, only his daughters. Also his nomination seriously pushes Iran from a theocracy to an elective monarchy imho. Wich, to be clear, is a common slide for theocracies. The Papal ban on children for priests is perhaps the only instance where a theocracy managed to prevent this slide.

> The Papal ban on children for priests is perhaps the only instance where a theocracy managed to prevent this slide. Pretty impressive effect, given that there is no such ban. There are a number of other rules which can combine to make it look approximately like there is, but there isn't.

Sorry, ban on priest marriage. Or rather, a celibacy obligation for bishop and priests. Which makes it a ban on children for Christians. I think it's in the 12th century that the rule was instaured, and was, let say, made effective by the council on Trent during the reformation.
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