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Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by dyauspitr »

loandbehold wrote: post #181
tsimionescu wrote: post #143

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You need only look at Tesla's attempts to compete with Waymo to see that you are just wrong. They tried to actually deploy fully autonomous Teslas, and it doesn't really work, it requires a human supervisor per car.

They are behind Waymo but they are getting there. They started giving fully autonomous drives since last month without safety driver in Austin. Tesla chose a harder camera-only approach but it's more scalable once it works.

Why is it more scalable? LIDAR is cheap now.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by TitaRusell »

majani wrote: post #241
ncallaway wrote: post #176

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I gotta give Musk credit. I continue to think his grift has reached the end of the road, and I'm always shocked at how credulously the market follows him onto the next grift while immediately forgetting the prior one. The market is far more naive and credulous than I anticipated, and Musk seems to understand much better than I just how fucking moronic most market participants are.

Since he's now being seen as a conservative, he is now adding into Christian elements to his grift. Expect to see him get even more mystical now

Yeah but what racists don't understand is that the golden age of white folks is over.

Outnumbered and increasingly outspent.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by ahartmetz »

TheTxT wrote: post #244
ahartmetz wrote: post #236

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>more scalable It's cheaper, that's all it is.

Which makes it easier to scale?

Which using a five-dollar word to describe a one-cent fact.

Scalability is usually about O(n²) vs O(n log n) or something, not a smaller constant that's significant but not a game changer.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by robhlt »

loandbehold wrote: post #181
tsimionescu wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need only look at Tesla's attempts to compete with Waymo to see that you are just wrong. They tried to actually deploy fully autonomous Teslas, and it doesn't really work, it requires a human supervisor per car.

They are behind Waymo but they are getting there. They started giving fully autonomous drives since last month without safety driver in Austin. Tesla chose a harder camera-only approach but it's more scalable once it works.

Waymo can go camera-only in the future too by training a camera-only model alongside their camera+lidar model.

They'll probably get there faster too because the decisions the camera+lidar model makes can be used to automatically evaluate the camera-only model.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by garciasn »

TheTxT wrote: post #243
helloplanets wrote: post #164

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Legally Teslas are Advanced Driver Assistance Systems, while Waymos for example are Automated Driving Systems. If you're driving a vehicle in the former category, you'll be on the hook for reckless driving if you aren't fully supervising the vehicle. I'm pretty sure the original commenter was supervising the driving, though.

Except for their limited Robotaxi service. They have recently ditched their safety driver as well, so there is truly no one "driving" the car.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47051546

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Post by alsetmusic »

maxbond wrote: post #197
danaris wrote: post #186

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There's zero chance that Musk will have suddenly "solved" FSD in a day, a week, or a year. He's not an engineer; he's a money man, and a grifter. That's why people keep giving Tesla money: because Musk has fooled so many people into believing he's this amazing engineer, who could, possibly, "solve" FSD overnight—and, moreover, has gotten them to buy into it so deeply that they have tied their identity into that belie…

Well he certainly wouldn't but the engineers working for Tesla might, with a probability that is very low but greater than 0. It's much higher (but still low) in 1 year, 5 years, 10 years. Tomorrow is a metanym for the future. But to be very clear I not only don't think they will but I don't think that they think they will, or they wouldn't be shifting focus to Optimus. I'm not invested in Tesla except for my exposur…

> metanym

I appreciate when my vocabulary expands. I understood this by context and similarity to 'synonym'. I may have encountered it before (probably), but I didn't know it. Excellent use in a post.

Expands my horizons a bit. Hat tip.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by Zigurd »

maxbond wrote: post #197
danaris wrote: post #186

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There's zero chance that Musk will have suddenly "solved" FSD in a day, a week, or a year. He's not an engineer; he's a money man, and a grifter. That's why people keep giving Tesla money: because Musk has fooled so many people into believing he's this amazing engineer, who could, possibly, "solve" FSD overnight—and, moreover, has gotten them to buy into it so deeply that they have tied their identity into that belie…

Well he certainly wouldn't but the engineers working for Tesla might, with a probability that is very low but greater than 0. It's much higher (but still low) in 1 year, 5 years, 10 years. Tomorrow is a metanym for the future. But to be very clear I not only don't think they will but I don't think that they think they will, or they wouldn't be shifting focus to Optimus. I'm not invested in Tesla except for my exposur…

To be maximally reductive, FSD will never work because the sensor suite is deficient. There are other reasons but that one's enough.

Same for a rocket that's ridiculously large for orbital missions but can't go beyond orbit without 15 to 25 refueling flights of the same enormous rocket.

The reasons for both these failing are going to be manyfold and complex, but there are enough simple reasons that everyone should understand.

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

cyberax wrote: post #136
rsynnott wrote: post #6

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BYD is not, despite the press, really very big in Europe (though it is in a couple of individual countries, notably Spain). Europe-wide, Geely, the Chinese manufacturer that everyone forgets about, is actually bigger: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare/ALL/Groups/Bar/All-time-by-Qu...

BYD has barely started exporting cars, a bit less than 1 million last year. The total European market is 11 million cars a year. The global market is 90 million units. And BYD obviously is focusing on easier markets, where they don't have to fight against tariffs.

BYD have also built a fleet of 8 of their own car carriers with a million car per year capacity. As well as multiple factories in multiple countries/continents outside China, including one in California (commercial trucks and bus only)

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by tencentshill »

tempestn wrote: post #135
jdross wrote: post #106

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I am so confused when I read things like this because my Tesla model 3 is effectively self driving for me for months now. Hundreds of miles without intervention. No other car I can buy can do this yet

Based on the self driving trials in my Model Y, I find it terrifying that anyone trusts it to drive them around. It required multiple interventions in a single 10-minute drive last time I tried it.

Oh well that's because you aren't using V18.58259a, I follow Elon's X and he said FSD is solved in that update. Clearly user error.
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