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Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by habinero »

znnajdla wrote: post #180
Aurornis wrote: post #30

Am I reading this correctly that the address where they found the child was where her mother’s boyfriend was living? > "So we narrowed it down to [this] one address… and started the process of confirming who was living there through state records, driver's licence… information on schools," says Squire. > The team realised that in the household with Lucy was her mother's boyfriend - a convicted sex offender. There’s a…

Not surprising to me at all. I’m a straight man and I’ve always dated single mothers, and it always shocked me how bad their ex partners were. Woman are drawn to toxic abusers like men are drawn to OnlyFans models and the real victims are the children. And women can be incredibly blind to what is going on with their child when they’re in a codependent relationship with the abuser.

> and it always shocked me how bad their ex partners were. Woman are drawn to toxic abusers like men are drawn to OnlyFans models and the real victims are the children

Huh. It, uh, sure is a choice to declare you deliberately only date women with underage children and then blame those women for being too stupid to recognize when they're dating dangerous men. The added bit about men getting away with abuse because women let them is also something.

Abusive men deliberately find vulnerable targets, exploit them, and then blame them.

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Post by habinero »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #190
Tzela wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"women are drawn to toxic abusers" is very, very wrong. It indicates a wish/desire/need to be abused. No, they are not drawn to that. Many abusers know how to look nice and perfect and are great at manipulation. Also, there may just be a lot of bad men in your social peer group. Don't make it sound like it's the womens fault.

It's not very wrong unfortunately. Do you remember back in school that the nice, timid guys were friendzoned but the assholes always had girls after them ? There must be some evolutionary justification, but we have to live with that unfortunate reality..

> nice, timid guys were friendzoned

There's a reason why "nice guy" is a stereotype. The people who describe themselves like this aren't nice or timid, but insecure, angry and judgmental. They tell stories like "women like assholes" to avoid coming to terms with the idea that they're unlikable.

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Post by habinero »

whatsupdog wrote: post #256
Pay08 wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of women out there drawn to criminals of every kind. The primary demographic of true crime shows are women for a reason, not to mention the letters murderers and such receive. I would be curious to know why this is, and if it happens in other cultures too.

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Shoo. Peddle your incel garbage elsewhere.

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Post by aaronmdjones »

Pay08 wrote: post #209
bloppe wrote: post #201

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95% of cases are settled before reaching jury trial. Usually a plea bargain for criminal cases. Settlement for civil cases. Or dismissal. The other 5% are expensive.

Would peeing in a bush be a criminal charge? I'm not American but I thought there was a difference between misdemeanors and "actual" crimes.

Generally speaking, there are two levels of crime in the US; misdemeanors and felonies. Both will land you with a criminal record, but a misdemeanor-only record will not show up on some standard background checks and does not remove your right to bear arms or vote, for example. Felonies are much more serious, and generally mandate a minimum prison sentence of 1 year unless plead down, while the sentencing for misdemeanors generally caps out at a year and typically just gets reduced to fines and community service, or a short stint (e.g. a couple weeks) in the local jail instead of a prison.

In some states, first offense non-violent felony convictions (e.g. exceeding the speed limit while fleeing police in a vehicle) can be expunged from your record when you turn 21 (if you were convicted and served out your sentence before turning 21). Otherwise felonies generally stay with you for life.

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Post by cindyllm »

habinero wrote: post #282
4gotunameagain wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not very wrong unfortunately. Do you remember back in school that the nice, timid guys were friendzoned but the assholes always had girls after them ? There must be some evolutionary justification, but we have to live with that unfortunate reality..

> nice, timid guys were friendzoned There's a reason why "nice guy" is a stereotype. The people who describe themselves like this aren't nice or timid, but insecure, angry and judgmental. They tell stories like "women like assholes" to avoid coming to terms with the idea that they're unlikable.

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Post by Pay08 »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #231
Pay08 wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can I be sure? How? There are plenty of women in prison as-is, although high profile cases are rarer.

Relatively speaking there aren't plenty of women in prison for violent crimes. It's about a 9:1 ratio. Men obsessively sexualise everything in our patriarchal society.

Sure... There are so many things wrong with this that I don't know where to begin.

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Post by MagicMoonlight »

JimmyBuckets wrote: post #227
rollulus wrote: post #210

So do I read it correctly that good old detective work did the job, and that breaking e2e encryption and client side scanning wasn’t needed? Politicians tell me a different story.

Not that I agree with either of those things but I think the implicit argument is that breaking encryption would lead to faster arrest and fewer years of abuse for the victims.

You’d think so, but the police already have tons of methods they don’t use. The bottleneck is always staffing, not crazy shit they wouldn’t even be allowed to use.

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Post by gosub100 »

rectang wrote: post #44
Aurornis wrote: post #30

Am I reading this correctly that the address where they found the child was where her mother’s boyfriend was living? > "So we narrowed it down to [this] one address… and started the process of confirming who was living there through state records, driver's licence… information on schools," says Squire. > The team realised that in the household with Lucy was her mother's boyfriend - a convicted sex offender. There’s a…

There's also a lot of "WHY AREN'T YOU FOCUSING ON THE MOTHER?" whataboutism in the comments, which I find appalling. The article was about something else, and who knows what her circumstances were.

Equal rights also means equal accountability. It's very unlikely she was unaware of the abuse taking place for 6 years.

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Post by jacquesm »

vasco wrote: post #280
jacquesm wrote: post #262

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> we Ah ok, never mind me then. I've in FBs position and I'm happy to report that we had a very well oiled process to deal with pederasts and assisted LE in putting a couple of them - also in the US and Canada - behind bars. That's one of the reason I knew that officer that I mentioned above. These people need all the help they can get, their departments are overworked and understaffed. Investigations are often a bit…

Mate I never worked at Facebook what are you on about. Sure if you're looking at evidence of a crime you don't need to wait for a warrant you can proactively reach out. That is not what I was talking about.

"I don't think you understood, we weren't understaffed,"

Who is 'we' then in that context if not FB?

Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by gosub100 »

directevolve wrote: post #150
Aurornis wrote: post #51

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Most crimes like this are, sadly, committed by someone who has some connection to the family. It’s standard to investigate connections first. That’s not “appalling” to suggest, it’s just a sad reality of these crimes. They should be focusing on everyone connected to the family if known. It would be negligent not to. The confusion came from the way the article was written. They didn’t know the identity until afterward…

I just want to point out that there’s a huge difference between thoroughly investigating the family after abuse of this magnitude has been proven, and making parents legally culpable for any harm that comes to their children in general. We can react to the fact that mothers can do more to protect their children from abuse in many ways. We can give them better access to information and support in getting away from abu…

The investigators will be able to calculate how many rounds of abuse the victim suffered. The more it happened, the less likely it is the mother was unaware. And if course, the victim can tell us directly whether the mother knew. If so, she deserves a decade of her life in prison as well.
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