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Re: Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan launches dark-money group to influence CA politics

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Hell no, California has this and it’s a catastrophe. Prop 13 is one of the worst policies enacted by a democratic polity in the 20th century, and has been wrecking the state for decades.

Why do you think that similar law could not be passed without direct vote? The problem is not direct democracy but the fact that it is being done in a wrong way. Voting should be done without anonymity, online. One should be able to either vote for everything manually, or delegate the vote to any other person. If some change is supported by 100% of the voters it should be implemented immediately. But if smaller perce…

"Voting should be done without anonymity..."

This is a spectacularly bad idea.

Re: Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan launches dark-money group to influence CA politics

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It's way too early to fix California. The average California voter, which HN is a good sampling of by the way, really believes that California is fine, and that there's no corruption or grift, and that they can tax billionaires more without them simply leaving the state (because CA is magical and unique (it's the 4th largest economy in the world, don't you know!) and they'll come crawling back to be a part of it). It…

>and that they can tax billionaires more without them simply leaving the state (because CA is magical and unique (it's the 4th largest economy in the world, don't you know!) and they'll come crawling back to be a part of it)

more like because data from other wealth taxes has shown that millionaires don't leave that easily. If they are, they are replaced by others

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DXZMXZCY0I

>People put ideology above the evidence in front of their eyes.

It's funny that you're saying this while providing no proof that rich people leave from wealth taxes.

Re: Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan launches dark-money group to influence CA politics

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>You could confiscate 100% of the wealth of every billionaire in this country and it wouldn’t fund the government for an entire year. 1. I see that being 14 trillion. That would in fact fund the government for a year. even for 2 years. 2. taxes aren't about achieving perfect equality. But it's in part to incentivize people to not hoard wealth and spend it in the company. Few of the busnesses in the 50's/60's paid clo…

Except is not 14 trillion (in the US) It is closer to 8 trillion. Even if it WAS 14 trillion, the fact that such an insane measure wouldn’t even fully fund the entire government for two years shows you can’t just confiscate your way out of things. It is spending.

Okay. Can you engage with the real point instead of the Wikipedia figure I googled in 5 seconds?

Re: Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan launches dark-money group to influence CA politics

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>but the state just confiscating 5% of someone's net worth (unrealized or not) is absolute madness why? The federal government is taking around 22% from me this year and I'm in a low bracket. If I had the money from my last full time job in tech it'd be 24%. You're saying billionaires shouldn't pay the state they reside in 5% more? Tanentially, that's only one bracket despite it being triple the salary. gotta love th…

The government is taking 22% of your INCOME. Not your entire net worth. This is vastly different. HNW don’t have their net worth sitting in a pool of cash like Donald Duck as much as Reddit would like to believe. Its property, company stock, any unrealized gains in different equities, etc. to have to go through the administrative burden of valuing all that, and then attempting to liquidate at some reasonable market v…

>to have to go through the administrative burden of valuing all that, and then attempting to liquidate at some reasonable market value just to pay one time levy (allegedly lol) is insane, and will rightfully be challenged in court

Cool, let's do it. We know the IRS, especially when auditing the rich tend to be one of the highest value employees of government they will sue no matter how cut and clear the tax code is anyway.

Its really weird we're on HN and we're using an excuse of "but it's hard, so let's not do it". I didn't choose tech because it was easy. Why should the government we fund be just as defeatist?

Re: Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan launches dark-money group to influence CA politics

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> property, company stock, any unrealized gains in different equities, etc. it is only “unrealized” when they have to pay taxes. but walk into a bank and ask for a loan (which is of course what they do) and all of a sudden that shit is all “realized” and here’s millions of dollars to ya…

That’s a separate discussion. I think there should be some sort of tax penalty to borrowing against assets as a sort of infinite money glitch.

it is not separate, it is exactly the same discussion. if you currently can use “unrealized” shit to borrow against than it is perfectly fair for you to pay the taxes on that shit. it is absolutely not a “separate discussion”

Re: Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan launches dark-money group to influence CA politics

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The government is taking 22% of your INCOME. Not your entire net worth. This is vastly different. HNW don’t have their net worth sitting in a pool of cash like Donald Duck as much as Reddit would like to believe. Its property, company stock, any unrealized gains in different equities, etc. to have to go through the administrative burden of valuing all that, and then attempting to liquidate at some reasonable market v…

>to have to go through the administrative burden of valuing all that, and then attempting to liquidate at some reasonable market value just to pay one time levy (allegedly lol) is insane, and will rightfully be challenged in court Cool, let's do it. We know the IRS, especially when auditing the rich tend to be one of the highest value employees of government they will sue no matter how cut and clear the tax code is a…

Of course its easy for you to say - its simple to just point the finger and claim you're entitled to your "fair share" of someone else's property simply because they have more than you. And my main point isn't even that "its hard" (which it is), its that governments cannot simply just tax and confiscate their way to a utopia.

Fortunately for sanity and common sense, this proposal, if it even passes, will surely be challenged on Federal and State constitutional grounds.

Re: Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan launches dark-money group to influence CA politics

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That’s a separate discussion. I think there should be some sort of tax penalty to borrowing against assets as a sort of infinite money glitch.

it is not separate, it is exactly the same discussion. if you currently can use “unrealized” shit to borrow against than it is perfectly fair for you to pay the taxes on that shit. it is absolutely not a “separate discussion”

I support some sort of disincentive to prevent HNW individuals from borrowing against assets for income.

I do not support wealth taxes or taxing unrealized gains (unless you get rebates for unrealized losses lol)

There SHOULD be some mechanism (idk what) to close the loophole of HNW individuals borrowing against an asset you have not sold to minimize actual income, but that doesn't mean its right, effective, or even legal to just mass tax all unrealized gains, just because this specific loophole exists currently.

So yeah, it is a separate discussion.

Re: Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan launches dark-money group to influence CA politics

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Except is not 14 trillion (in the US) It is closer to 8 trillion. Even if it WAS 14 trillion, the fact that such an insane measure wouldn’t even fully fund the entire government for two years shows you can’t just confiscate your way out of things. It is spending.

Okay. Can you engage with the real point instead of the Wikipedia figure I googled in 5 seconds?

I mean when you just make up a number, you should expect to be called out for it, lol.

And I did engage with the real point. Even if it WAS 14 trillion dollars, that wouldn't fund the government for 2 years. And then what? Why is the solution for government bloat and inefficiency always just taking more?

Re: Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan launches dark-money group to influence CA politics

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>to have to go through the administrative burden of valuing all that, and then attempting to liquidate at some reasonable market value just to pay one time levy (allegedly lol) is insane, and will rightfully be challenged in court Cool, let's do it. We know the IRS, especially when auditing the rich tend to be one of the highest value employees of government they will sue no matter how cut and clear the tax code is a…

Of course its easy for you to say - its simple to just point the finger and claim you're entitled to your "fair share" of someone else's property simply because they have more than you. And my main point isn't even that "its hard" (which it is), its that governments cannot simply just tax and confiscate their way to a utopia. Fortunately for sanity and common sense, this proposal, if it even passes, will surely be ch…

>its simple to just point the finger and claim you're entitled to your "fair share" of someone else's property simply because they have more than you.

Yes. Because they did not take their fair share. I'm all for proper audits (not whatever Elon Musk pretended was "fraud waste and abuse" last year).

If nothing truly comes out of it, cool. Maybe we need more laws for that. And apparently wealth taxes are popular.

https://www.cityandstateny.com/policy/2025/11/new-poll-shows...

>if it even passes, will surely be challenged on Federal and State constitutional grounds.

Will it be sanity if they lose and the tax is upheld?

I already said that they will file lawsuits no matter how they legislate, so nothing in my comment was actually addressed.

Insteas you're just trying to make me emphathize with a billionaire for some reason. Meanwhile, I'm almost 3 years out of my last W-2 job that I was laid off of because of these billionaires. My sympathy is gone. Tax the rich.

Re: Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan launches dark-money group to influence CA politics

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I don't know if I agree or not with his views, but the fact that he's moving from complaining about something, to doing something about his beliefs, has convinced me to move from a negative to a significantly positive view of him, as a person; to reiterate, regardless of whether I agree with said views. The will to fight for what one believes in - I think we can all agree that is an admirable human trait that would r…

Fighting for what you believe in isn’t remotely something to admire if all you believe in is self-enrichment
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