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Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Walk? Bike? Take the bus? People had kids for years before cars were invented.

This argument does not work when society is build towards roads and using them. I live in the Netherlands in a village, and not using a car is impossible with a few kids. The city is different.

So is your specify built towards roads and using them, or are they too small? Which is it? They are mutually exclusive

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Looks like a great car. As Marques Brownlee puts it [1], this is Rivian's "Model Y fighter". And I personally find the R2 to be much more appealing than a Model Y in terms of size, shape, and interior. But we have been misled so many times about EV prices prior to launch, I think it's important to wait until we see what it actually costs for different trim levels before making comparisons to the Model Y. That $45,000…

Also Doug Demuro raves about it [1]. Personally I can't stand Marques' reviews. Just inspiring and he looks bored. Doug on the other hand really seems to put some of his soul into his reviews. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUl_0087dyM

Doug's problem is that he is never critical, he even calls flaws or omissions with the euphemism 'quirks'. It feels like he is too embedded in the automotive ecosystem to the point where he will not even be critical of Stellantis products.

Marques has no problem calling out inferior products.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Do you really need a 0-60mph time of 3.0 seconds in a mommymobile?

That's like asking if mommy needs a razor sharp knife in the kitchen or if we should keep it dull for legacy reasons.

Uhhh, what? No it isn't.

Having a sharp knife is safer than a dull one.

Having a massive heavy steel box that weighs thousands of kilos that can accelerate that quick, that you can operate in public with little to no useful training is not safer. I'm sorry, no car outside of a race track needs to accelerate that quick. It's absurd.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Looks like a great car. As Marques Brownlee puts it [1], this is Rivian's "Model Y fighter". And I personally find the R2 to be much more appealing than a Model Y in terms of size, shape, and interior. But we have been misled so many times about EV prices prior to launch, I think it's important to wait until we see what it actually costs for different trim levels before making comparisons to the Model Y. That $45,000…

here another review from my favorite car reviewer Mat Watson (carwow), from what I remember he complains about cleaning rear window wiper, but it feels all in all like paid ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eepauvC5LU

The fact that Rivan gave preview access to a UK car reviewer while ignoring Out Of Spec who literally have 3 Rivians in their 'fleet' shows that Rivian is not yet serious about building a quality, customer-centric EV even though I truly want them to be successful.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Yeah, I didn’t realize we were calling hybrids “EV”s now. Also, the BYDs I’ve been in were chintzy garbage as far as fit and finish goes. Can’t speak to their reliability, or other aspects of them, though.

. chintzy garbage This is a slur.

No. https://www.etymonline.com/word/chintzy

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Page seems awful light on technical specifications. AWD like other Rivians? How many motors? How much horsepower? How big is it? How heavy is it? What trim levels are / will be available? Will there be the same standard v. large v. max battery options? What will be those battery options' ranges?

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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So if you are too lazy to plug it in every night or your day to day driving exceeds the battery range you shouldn't buy one. One of my neighbours has one but nowhere to plug it in. I have no idea why they bought it. This wouldn't stop me from buying one.

Not everyone is rich enough to live in a private house, where one could plug EVs daily.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the poor.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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> Maybe at 1/10 the schedule of ICE vehicles, at least for me. I use regenerative braking almost exclusively (probably 95+% of the time). In practice, my brakes always corrode from road salt and fuel-efficient driving habits and need replacing long before I actually wear them down, so regen brakes are largely irrelevant to brake life. > Which means I only need to take it in for a no-questions-asked tire rotation 1-2…

There are many things that break or need maintenance on my ICE vehicles that I don’t want to mess with myself: oil changes, transmissions, alternators, belts, engine issue (oil leaks). Engine air filters are about the only ICE-specific piece I don’t mind doing myself. Re: brakes, where I live, I don’t think salt will play much a factor, and not sure what you mean by “fuel efficient driving” wearing your brakes, but I…

> There are many things that break or need maintenance on my ICE vehicles that I don’t want to mess with myself: oil changes, transmissions, alternators, belts, engine issue (oil leaks).

Of all those things you listed, they took a total of 3 garage visits (that weren't already scheduled for tire changes) over 14 years. Not what I'd call "many".

> Re: brakes, where I live, I don’t think salt will play much a factor, and not sure what you mean by “fuel efficient driving” wearing your brakes, but I’m using regenerative braking 95+% of the time.

I mean that if you drive in a fuel efficient way - i.e. by not constantly accelerating/braking unnecessarily, your brake life will be much extended. My current car has regen brakes, and I expect the brakes will require replacing just as often as they did on my old ICE car, due to corrosion.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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That's like asking if mommy needs a razor sharp knife in the kitchen or if we should keep it dull for legacy reasons.

Uhhh, what? No it isn't. Having a sharp knife is safer than a dull one. Having a massive heavy steel box that weighs thousands of kilos that can accelerate that quick, that you can operate in public with little to no useful training is not safer. I'm sorry, no car outside of a race track needs to accelerate that quick. It's absurd.

The analogy fits perfectly. A slow car is also unsafe, that's why low speed plates exist along with minimum speed limits. There's no such thing as a vehicle with too much acceleration and never will be.
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