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Luce: First Electric Ferrari
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#282Probably I will be impopular, but the best ferrari in the last 40 yrs is F-40 by engineer Materazzi. Designed all by him, except the japan mad turbo compressor.
That car's interior is a great example of what made Ferrari so iconic and aspirational. It's not trying to be nice and comfortable. It feels stiff, brutalist, direct. It has an immediacy and a danger.
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#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had the same thought, but the article starts with "first look at the interior". So maybe the exterior does not exist yet?
It's exists. Car and Driver and other sites have photos. Obviously it's weird to not showcase the exterior of a Ferrari, that being pretty much the entire point of Ferrari. The cynic in me can't help but think this may be due to the fact that it looks like a lowered Hyundai with a body kit[1]. [1] https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a70279106/ferrari-luce-ev-...
Do we know that’s an accurate image? The site says it’s an illustration and admits the exterior reveal comes later
I hope it’s not accurate. If so, interior looks more interesting than the exterior
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#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
Keep in mind that, especially for performance cars, the instant torque and low center of gravity (because those cells can go in the floor) really helps. Yes, the added weight is bad for handling which is a shame especially in a car like this. The weight savings aren't that big of a deal, they do that in every car and it's mostly marketing. But if you're one of those brands that can sell the same car, but use some fan…
The Porsche Taycan and related Audi e-tron GT are considered basically the best-handling production cars built so far, and these come in at around 2.4 tons or something. They are of course quite low for EVs, barely taller than a 911 iirc.
Alpine would disagree, the A290 EV is nearly a tonne lighter and has won awards as the 'Best Fun EV'.
One simply can't make a tonne disappear, in handling terms.
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#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is an enormous departure from Ferrari interiors to the point where it no longer looks anything like a Ferrari beyond the emblems inside.
Yes, the dashboard must be tan. Like in Magnum PI.
I don't think the dashboard was tan. The seats maybe https://car-images.bauersecure.com/wp-images/202622/1040x0/m...
I used to have a 308. You don't notice the dash design much while being distracted by the noise it makes, heavy steering and awkward gear change. Nice body styling though.
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#286What are people going to do with the G force gauge? Unlike speed, engine RPM, fuel reserves etc., people can sense acceleration perfectly well themselves. They wouldn't be able to put a number on it (although maybe could with training), but what good is that anyway? And what even is the gauge on the left? It's just numbers without units. This just looks like a gimmick because they wanted three gauges but lost engine…
I've never had one but it would be kind of interesting to see what the max cornering force was and maybe useful to see how close to the limit you are.
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#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
EVs have a weight issue that fundamentally constrains their overall design. It is really a tough engineering problem to try to shave weight off of everything, because you are starting out with a 700kg battery replacing a 400kg engine + transmission, so you are ~300kg in the hole, and need to remove 300 kg from the rest of the car. That's why they do crazy stuff like use the battery as part of the structural frame, to…
Ferrari will sell all that they make. If you want to purchase one of the highly desirable low-volume models you can't just walk into a dealership and write a check. You first have to purchase a few of the high-volume models to earn enough "points" on their internal customer priority list. A lot of rich guys will buy a Luce just for that purpose, and then leave it in their garage or maybe drive it to the country club…
wow. I never cease to marvel at the companies that make you jump through hoops in order to give them your money. chesterton had a good passage on that in his father brown mysteries (highly recommended to any fan of the genre):
The Vernon Hotel at which The Twelve True Fishermen held their annual dinners was an institution such as can only exist in an oligarchical society which has almost gone mad on good manners. It was that topsy-turvy product—an “exclusive” commercial enterprise. That is, it was a thing which paid not by attracting people, but actually by turning people away. In the heart of a plutocracy tradesmen become cunning enough to be more fastidious than their customers. They positively create difficulties so that their wealthy and weary clients may spend money and diplomacy in overcoming them. If there were a fashionable hotel in London which no man could enter who was under six foot, society would meekly make up parties of six-foot men to dine in it. If there were an expensive restaurant which by a mere caprice of its proprietor was only open on Thursday afternoon, it would be crowded on Thursday afternoon.
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#288I saw paddles and thought, finally someone that incorporated a 2-4 speed transmission in order to put some form of soul in EV. But no.
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#289I saw paddles and thought, finally someone that incorporated a 2-4 speed transmission in order to put some form of soul in EV. But no.
The 600hp (Kia!) EV6 GT has paddles too. Been trying to figure out how to repurpose them.
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#290What are people going to do with the G force gauge? Unlike speed, engine RPM, fuel reserves etc., people can sense acceleration perfectly well themselves. They wouldn't be able to put a number on it (although maybe could with training), but what good is that anyway? And what even is the gauge on the left? It's just numbers without units. This just looks like a gimmick because they wanted three gauges but lost engine…
I've never had one but it would be kind of interesting to see what the max cornering force was and maybe useful to see how close to the limit you are.
What limit? The limit is when the tyres lose traction, not some number on a screen.