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France's homegrown open source online office suite
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Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite
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Yeah but the tech spend was way more effective. Elon took over Twitter.
It seems like you have an unfalsifiable belief. If one side raises more money and wins, it because of the money. If one side raises more money and loses, it is still the money because the other side spend it more effectively.
You almost got it. We all lose as long as money determines power in social relations.
Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite
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If you scroll a little further down, you'll see that it lists components of an office suite as: - a word processor - a spreadsheet application - presentation software This doesn't look like it has any of these
Have you considered that “office suite” has drifted in meaning since Microsoft Office was introduced and things like: - chat - video calls - notion Might now be more important to an office than word processing or presentation software?
Maybe those those things may be more important, depending on the office, but IME, that isn't what people usually mean when they say "office suite".
Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite
#284Okay this is nowhere near an "Office suite". It is a cloud collaboration suite with a glorified markdown editor and with some extra utilities around. Almost nobody buys stuff like Google Docs and Microsoft Office for this reason. From my experience using open-source collaboration groupware like Nextcloud, their solutions written in dynamic programming languages like PHP and Python are always woefully slow. Only thing…
Genuine question: why do you consider it to be nowhere near an "Office suite"? It seems to me it fits the definition given by Wikipedia [1]. I guess it is less advanced than Google Workspace or Microsoft Office but it would cover all of my needs at work. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Productivity_software#Office_s...
All _your_ needs at work.
All of this goes out the window when you're dealing with a government bureaucracy that has hyper specific document formatting requirements.
This is a real foundational need of nearly every business at some point. Every court system and government agency has their own rules and they need to be tracked and followed perfectly. There are whole sub-industries around dealing with this for legal documents in MS Word.
Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite
#285Okay this is nowhere near an "Office suite". It is a cloud collaboration suite with a glorified markdown editor and with some extra utilities around. Almost nobody buys stuff like Google Docs and Microsoft Office for this reason. From my experience using open-source collaboration groupware like Nextcloud, their solutions written in dynamic programming languages like PHP and Python are always woefully slow. Only thing…
> OpenCloud is the "open-source" fork but they are already in legal trouble with OwnCloud due to industrial espionage claims.
Can you expand on this or source this? I'm quite interested in OpenCloud, and haven't heard anything about this. I searched for a few keywords (espionage, legal, lawsuit), which only lands your comment on top.
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#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does it really need explaining why Office 365/Google Docs cannot be written in Django?
Yes
This is very obvious.
What part of your document editor needs to be backed by a relational database?
Why use an MVT system if you don't need the Model part of it?
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After having the same experience negative some time before Covid, I was kindly invited late last year to a homeserver of a local hackerspace and I gave it another try. I cannot send messages to people on another homeserver (such as the obscure matrix.org one) whereas other people can, as well as some other issues which I forgot by now. Not at all usable. It was a short-lived stint and I didn't even try to enable encr…
this sounds like something super weird about the setup - it really should just work. what client and server was it?
Element web and mobile have the same issue; server I'm not sure, where can I see this? I would assume the default/reference implementation but I don't know
Groups work btw, it's just private chats that cannot be initiated from either side (I have like five pending 'rooms' or something now), so it's not that one server banned the other. I just took it for typical matrix experience
Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite
#288Okay this is nowhere near an "Office suite". It is a cloud collaboration suite with a glorified markdown editor and with some extra utilities around. Almost nobody buys stuff like Google Docs and Microsoft Office for this reason. From my experience using open-source collaboration groupware like Nextcloud, their solutions written in dynamic programming languages like PHP and Python are always woefully slow. Only thing…
You don't need to raise taxes for this, literally just stop wasting money on licensees once the open source projects are ready. It's not a "let do it in 3 months" thing, this will take at least a decade.
These projects will always need funding indefinitely if they are going to do it.
People always want more and it will never be finished.
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Wondering what software are China/Russia using in their public administration?
Local LibreOffice forks. And MS Office, of course.
MS office is pretty secure and private once you put a "Great Firewall" that blocks most outgoing/incoming connections.
Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite
#290Lasuite Docs PM here. Awesome to see we’ve made it top the first page again! Thanks for the interest :) I’ve compiled a bunch of answers in an FAQ on this doc https://docs.numerique.gouv.fr/docs/ed2e1dbf-07a2-43bb-ae1e-... Cheers!
Honest question, though I suspect you won't be able to give a complete answer : how shielded are you from political changes ? When the next president takes office, and they're more aligned with Trump than the current administration, will it also cause a backlash ? Or do you feel shielded by the "we're cheaper than MS licenses" ?