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The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In theory , born into it. That was just a foil to put an air of legitimacy over the institution. In the real world, there was (and is!) an incredible power game over who decides over what, who gets to live, who must abdicate, how much the real power lies with the King and how much with aristocracy or the Church and so on. It's a constant rebalancing of power factors.

Sometimes it was, sometimes it wasn't. One can point to dozens of historical examples of well-run and stable monarchies, just as one can point to "monarchies" where the power rested with power-hungry and corrupt eunuchs, bishops, or chancellors -- or where the entire process of succession was as red in tooth and claw as anything in nature. The trouble with representative democracy is that it always selects for the mo…

> The crossroads where one path leads to rule by entrenched and corrupt oligarchs, at least as bad as any of the court eunuchs of old, and where the other path leads to ochlocracy.

I'm a bit confused; assuming you are aiming at the US situation with this, I kinda fail to see a clear contrast between entrenched oligarchy and ochlocracy.

Isn't the Trump side a pretty good example of combining both?

Riling up the masses, promoting selfish "got mine" attitude from the top down, partial and weaponized use of the law are basically textbook fits for mob rule?

On the other hand, if you put Harrison or Waltz on a "entrenched oligarch" scale, there is no way they weight as heavy as Trump and his cronies in the current administration, at least in my view? Both of them did an actual job instead of just enjoying a life in the spotlight funded by generational wealth and the work of others...

I'm very interested in conflicting viewpoints-- if you disagree with my perspective, please tell me how instead of just downvoting!

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Power corrupts, end of story. Democracy (limited terms), taxation and anti-monopoly regulation are examples that show a path to cure the disease. Nobody should be trusted with too much power for too long.

> taxation

Taxation is the system where innocent people are forced to pay enormous amounts of money to the rich, powerful, corrupt. The whole basis for the Babylon system is taxation. Epstein and associates are able to thrive thanks to taxation. It has always been from the poor to the rich, never the other way around. Why do you think kings invented taxation in the first place?

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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It would fit perfectly if Epstein was a Russian agent. - Where did he get his money from? - Who's interests are served by this whole dodgy setup? - The Trump connection. - The Trump Russia connection. Maybe I imagine but it all seems aligned.

As a European, I find it very funny to see how nobody in the US is willing to address the elephant in the room called Mossad. This looks more likely an israeli operation which sourced girls from russia and likely had the FSB as a customer/scratch my back I scratch yours/collab thing. I mean, most US politicians and the president seem to be on an "israel first" agenda.

Also as a European, these mossad conspiracy theories are laughable. Story doesn't add up ? Mossad! You even threw in the FSB for good measure.

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

#285

Power corrupts, end of story. Democracy (limited terms), taxation and anti-monopoly regulation are examples that show a path to cure the disease. Nobody should be trusted with too much power for too long.

Taxation is the mechanism that moves power from the people to the government, and increasingly politicians and their specific interests. Do you actually believe that if your taxes went up, power would be less concentrated, or that you or your countrymen would have more power? Every government goon doing authoritarian dirty work collects a paycheck and wouldn't do their job without it.

The natural flow of money tends towards pooling on certain individuals and groups, because accumulating capital is significantly easier when you start with capital.

This is unwanted, first because it produces individuals powerful enough to topple the people’s will, and second because it is not in the interest of society for wealth to be accumulated rather than moving.

By first principles you need a system to limit accumulation and redistribute it. That’s taxation.

The money not being extracted from the right places, or not being distributed where it should, is a sign that the government is unwilling or incapable or working for the people.

It is the people’s collective responsibility to prevent and fix that problem.

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Excerpt from one of the related emails (written by JE): "great proposal„ however, it needs to be more around deception alice -bob. communication. virus hacking, battle between defense and infiltration.. computation is already looked at in various fields. camoflauge , mimickry, signal processing, and its non random nature, misinformation. ( the anti- truth - but right answer for the moment ).. computation does not inv…

Reminds me of that academic paper that was generated by a computer, this was before current wave of AI agents. The paper was just word soup but was accepted into a journal. Apologies I don't have link typing on mobile.

Postmodernism generator:

https://www.elsewhere.org/journal/pomo/

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, so pretty much every rich person was implicated by and at risk because of Epstein, including the sitting U.S. President at the time, but it was actually Mossad…

How do you run a crime organization that big and that out in the open (communicating openly via email, which not even the biggest drug cartels dare to do) without getting taken down by the various intelligence agencies of the world, even avoiding the U.S. federal law enforcement for the longest time? There is one answer: Epstein was protected by state forces, not that of U.S. but of its closest "ally" (more like mast…

> There is one answer: Epstein was protected by state forces, not that of U.S. but of its closest "ally" (more like master at this point).

This is a bog-standard white nationalist trope (“ZOG”), gussied up with current affairs.

Epstein avoided the consequences of his actions because he was a wealthy, powerful man surrounded by other wealthy, powerful men (who in turn stand to lose a great deal by having their behavior exposed). Not because the Jews secretly run the world.

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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This is what makes so much of the Epstein files damning. They are correspondents that happen after 2008 when he was publicly convicted of prostitution.

The fact that Scott here was able to find that information and cut ties shows how corrupt every powerful person that didn't do that was. Sorry billionaires and politicians, you don't come out looking clean being friendly to the known pedophile pimp.

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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post #248

Sometimes (sometimes) it just implies that someone sent an email, got ignored, and left a paper trail behind

Just being named in the files doesn’t mean you are guilty. In this situation being named in the files gave him an opportunity to demonstrate high moral character. “I turned down his money because he was scummy”

Yup. There's a few people like that in the files. But a distressingly large number of named people had ongoing correspondence.
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