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Post by [deleted] »

uean wrote: post #149
bri3d wrote: post #11

Here's the actual "roadmap" feature (scroll to the bottom where the filtered list is): https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/roadmap?search... The actual feature brief is: "When users connect to their organization's Wi-Fi, Teams will soon be able to automatically update their work location to reflect the building they're working from. This feature will be off by default. Tenant admins will decide whether to e…

Working on the systems/security/infrastructure side, we can already do this. Endpoint management systems already report wifi-ssid, internal-IP, whether you are using a vpn to try and hide info. SASE/ZTNA solutions provide location data, username, device used, connection details. Conditional access policies in the tenant already do checks against all of this anyway. The roadmap just makes the whole thing user-facing s…

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Post by jajuuka »

charles_f wrote: post #206

I work on Teams (I know, I know... please don't hit me, it's not my fault) 1. I don't speak authoritatively and 2. I don't have knowledge of the whole product - there's always a rogue team here and there doing stuff. We've had that feature turned on at MSFT for some time now. It does not allow your manager to see that you're at Starbucks, at home, on the shitter or anything like that. There's a new toggle in the cale…

It seems like people go out of their way to find something Microsoft, Apple, etc do everyday to get outraged about. Always appreciate someone from the source correcting misinformation and putting it into perspective.

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Post by bri3d »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #217
bnchrch wrote: post #99

I truly believe our industry needs to elevate our own anti-awards, like others have (Razzies, Worst Game of the Year, etc.) to shame those responsible for building the regressive tech that corporations and governments push. There's already the Big Brother Awards [0] and EFF's smattering of Worst Government and Worst Data Breach articles each year. [1] But I think we need more. Personally I would love to nominate: - M…

Devil's advocate here about the original post, about physical location: This would definitely have prevented the North Korean workers incident a few years back. I also find it hard to get offended about because there is basically no job, outside of tech, which doesn't involve physical location. >95% of jobs require physical location. Do you think a concrete worker, a plumber, an electrician, or literally anyone who w…

This is a really crappy tool for dealing with the North Korean Workers problem; it doesn't sound particularly fraud-resistant and that issue should already be handled by any competent corporate IT department with 10000 better and higher resolution ways to figure out where their assets are located.

Overall it's just kind of a yucky and weird feature; when I worked in an office I really didn't really want my coworkers having a real-time automated feed about where I'm located and one of my chores as a manager was always picking a seating position where I could at least take the drive-by questions before my team got interrupted, which stuff like this bypasses. I could actually see it being useful for field-deployed employees but it's not part of the stated implementation and most people in that scenario already have a solution for that.

I agree that the typical HN-meltdown isn't warranted here; the HN Meltdown Factor on anything related to privacy, cryptography, and security lately has gotten really out of hand (the post you're replying to is a perfect example, actually). But I also don't think these counterpoints are very strong; they're justifying other useful features and products that almost everyone already has. It's weird to me that Microsoft haven't either clarified or backed down on this one given how much press it's gotten vs. the seemingly tiny advantage the feature presents.

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Post by navane »

mystifyingpoi wrote: post #215
navane wrote: post #198

Buy a burner phone. Plug it in at your office for charge. Put teams app on it. Bam you're in the office 24/7.

After 3 days of such, an automated system detects this trivial anomaly and emails your boss + HR.

Make it connect to the wifi according to your work schedule.

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Post by kitsune1 »

voldemolt wrote: post #225

There was an article here not too long ago about someone decrying a fellow cow-worker for their rather liberal usage of AI and how their manager would see it and promote it, changing company process in the meantime. The writer found this revulsive. But what I found interesting is what was not discussed. This “Microsoft just did X” is another entry in that. Folks, let’s not beat around the bush: if you’re not your own…

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Post by esseph »

charles_f wrote: post #206

I work on Teams (I know, I know... please don't hit me, it's not my fault) 1. I don't speak authoritatively and 2. I don't have knowledge of the whole product - there's always a rogue team here and there doing stuff. We've had that feature turned on at MSFT for some time now. It does not allow your manager to see that you're at Starbucks, at home, on the shitter or anything like that. There's a new toggle in the cale…

It also shows them what wifi network you are connected to.

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Post by pousada »

palmotea wrote: post #102
pousada wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I wouldn’t even start working for an organisation that uses Microsoft …

So how many dozens of organizations can you work for?

Honestly I don’t know. Pretty comfortable where I’m now and we would never even consider using any M$ products ever. I know US culture is more about job-hopping every other year but I’m at the same place for many years now

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Post by pousada »

chankstein38 wrote: post #179
pousada wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I wouldn’t even start working for an organisation that uses Microsoft …

We used to use GSuite then we got acquired and we're a microsoft shop. :(

God that is the one big fear I have xD

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Post by shimman »

sneak wrote: post #213
shimman wrote: post #183

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I'm sorry but there is no shame in our industry, where are people protesting at conferences calling out devs working on instruments of oppression? Why isn't anyone harassing the devs that take it as a badge of honor to work at companies that profit from human misery? I don't see it anywhere.

I do it all the time. It gets censored, hidden, downmodded on almost every site.

I sincerely mean this when I say thank you. Tech workers have pilfered the commons and ruined too many innocent lives to sit so high on their pedestal.
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