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Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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Post by gattr »

estimator7292 wrote: post #164
elevation wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even when you're making PG content, the general propriety limits of AI can hinder creative work. The "Easter Bunny" has always seemed creepy to me, so I started writing a silly song in which the bunny is suspected of eating children. I had too many verses written down and wanted to condense the lyrics, but found LLMs telling me "I cannot help promote violence towards children." Production LLM services would not help…

Just today I asked how to shut down a Mac with "maximal violence". I was looking for the equivalent of "systemctl shutdown -f -f" and it refused to help me do violence. Believe me, the Mac deserved it.

Maybe a more formal "with extreme prejudice" would have worked.

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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Post by bandrami »

GoatInGrey wrote: post #131
leumon wrote: post #73

> We’re continuing to make progress toward a version of ChatGPT designed for adults over 18, grounded in the principle of treating adults like adults, and expanding user choice and freedom within appropriate safeguards. To support this, we’ve rolled out age prediction for users under 18 in most markets. https://help.openai.com/en/articles/12652064-age-prediction-... interesting

Pornographic use has long been the "break glass in case of emergency" for the LLM labs when it comes to finances. My personal opinion is that while smut won't hurt anyone in of itself, LLM smut will have weird and generally negative consequences. As it will be crafted specifically for you on top of the intermittent reinforcement component of LLM generation.

Whatever reward-center path is short-circuiting in 0.0001% of the population and leading to LLM psychosis will become a nuclear bomb for them if we get the sex drive involved too.

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

mhitza wrote: post #275
QuadrupleA wrote: post #247

Been unhappy with the GPT5 series, after daily driving 4.x for ages (I chat with them through the API) - very pedantic, goes off on too many side topics, stops following system instructions after a few turns (e.g. "you respond in 1-3 sentences" becomes long bulleted lists and multiple paragraphs very quickly. Much better feel with the Claude 4.5 series, for both chat and coding.

I often use ChatGPT without an account and ChatGPT 5 mini (which you get while logged out) might as well be Mistral 7b + web search. Its that mediocre. Even the original 3.5 was way ahead.

Really? I’ve found it useful for random little things.

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Post by subscribed »

jandrese wrote: post #100
torben-friis wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the goal there? Sexting? I’m guessing age is needed to serve certain ads and the like, but what’s the value for customers?

If you don't think the potential market for AI sexbots is enormous you have not paid attention to humanity.

This is not a potential market, this market is already thriving (and whoever wants to uses ChatGPT or Claude for that anyway).

ClosedAI just wants to a piece of the casual user too.

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Post by fullstackchris »

azuanrb wrote: post #278

It’s interesting that many comments mention switching back to Claude. I’m on the opposite end, as I’ve been quite happy with ChatGPT recently. Anthropic clearly changed something after December last year. My Pro plan is barely usable now, even when using only Sonnet. I frequently hit the weekly limit, which never happened before. In contrast, ChatGPT has been very generous with usage on their plan. Another pattern I’…

This is incorrect. I have the $200 per year plan and use Opus 4.5 every day.

Though granted it comes in ~4 hour blocks and it is quite easy to hit the limit if executing large tasks.

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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Post by moeffju »

azuanrb wrote: post #278

It’s interesting that many comments mention switching back to Claude. I’m on the opposite end, as I’ve been quite happy with ChatGPT recently. Anthropic clearly changed something after December last year. My Pro plan is barely usable now, even when using only Sonnet. I frequently hit the weekly limit, which never happened before. In contrast, ChatGPT has been very generous with usage on their plan. Another pattern I’…

There was a bug, since fixed, that erroneously capped at something like 60% of the limit, if you want to try again

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Post by kuboble »

cluckindan wrote: post #190
cal_dent wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i've always wondered how much the increasing prevalence of smut & not so niche romance novels, that have proliferated since e-readers became mainstream, have had on Gen Z and younger's sometimes unrealistic view/expectations of relationship. A lot of time is spent on porn sites etc. but not so much on how mainstream some of these novels have become

They had similar wonderings in the Victorian era, and probably in the Roman empire and ancient Greece too.

Yes, human nature hasn't changed but there is a reason why only recently obesity epidemic has developed.

Cheap unlimited access to stuff that was always scarce during human evolution creates an 'evolutionary mismatch' where unlimited access to stuff bypasses our lack of natural satiety mechanisms.

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Post by UltraSane »

GoatInGrey wrote: post #131
leumon wrote: post #73

> We’re continuing to make progress toward a version of ChatGPT designed for adults over 18, grounded in the principle of treating adults like adults, and expanding user choice and freedom within appropriate safeguards. To support this, we’ve rolled out age prediction for users under 18 in most markets. https://help.openai.com/en/articles/12652064-age-prediction-... interesting

Pornographic use has long been the "break glass in case of emergency" for the LLM labs when it comes to finances. My personal opinion is that while smut won't hurt anyone in of itself, LLM smut will have weird and generally negative consequences. As it will be crafted specifically for you on top of the intermittent reinforcement component of LLM generation.

I'm waiting until someone combines LLMs with a humanoid robot and a realdoll. That will have a lot of consequences.
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