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Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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> There’s an extremely hurtful narrative going around that my product, a revolutionary new technology that exists to scam the elderly and make you distrust anything you see online, is harmful to society The article is certainly interesting as yet another indicator of the backlash against AI, but I must say, “exists to scam the elderly” is totally absurd. I get that this is satire, but satire has to have some basis in…

It's satire. It's supposed to be absurd. Why else do students still read A Modest Proposal nearly three hundred years after its publication?

Regardless, LLMs are already being abused to mass produce spam, and some of that spam has almost certainly been employed to separate the elderly from their savings, so there's nothing particularly implausible about the satirical product, either.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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The article names a lot of other things that AI is being used for besides scamming the elderly, such as making us distrust everything we see online, generating sexually explicit pictures of women without their consent, stealing all kinds of copyrighted material, driving autonomous killer drones and more generally sucking the joy out of everything. And I think I'm inclined to agree. There are a small amount of things…

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It's true, making these things easier and faster and more accessible really doesn't matter

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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post #49

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The article names a lot of other things that AI is being used for besides scamming the elderly, such as making us distrust everything we see online, generating sexually explicit pictures of women without their consent, stealing all kinds of copyrighted material, driving autonomous killer drones and more generally sucking the joy out of everything. And I think I'm inclined to agree. There are a small amount of things…

Here's the thing with AI, especially as it becomes more AGI like, it will encompass all human behaviors. This will lead to the bad behaviors becoming especially noticeable since bad actors quickly realized this is a force multiplication factor for them. This is something everyone needs to think about when discussing AI safety. Even ANI applications carry a lot of potential societal risks and they may not be immediate…

AI doesn't encompass any "human behaviours", the humans controlling it do. Grok doesn't generate nude pictures of women because it wants to, it does it because people tell it to and it has (or had) no instructions to the contrary

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Jensen needs to keep escalating the hype to keep the hoarding dynamics in play. Because that's what's selling GPU's. You can't look at voracious GPU demand as a real signal of AI app profitability or general demand. It's a function of global tech oligarchs with gargantuan cash hoards not wanting to be left behind. But hoarding dynamics are nonlinear through self reinforcment and the moment any hint of limitations of…

None of them can stop. None of them can blink. They must keep going.

If Jensen even as much as _plans_ for something other than AI, it will cause everyone else to doubt.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Can you name one thing a plow enables that wasn't previously possible? This line of thinking is ridiculous.

A plow enables you to till land you couldn't before with your bare hands. The phone let's you talk to someone you couldn't before when shouting can't. ChatGPT let's you... Please complete the sentence without an analogy

They tilled by hand for thousands of years before inventing a plow to speed it up.

They spoke slowly, through letters, until phones sped it up.

We coded slowly, letter by letter, until agents sped it up.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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I'm extremely concerned about the implications. We are going to have to restructure a lot of things about society and the software we use. And like anything else, it will be a tool in the elite's toolbox of oppression. But it will also be a tool in the hands of the people. Unless anti-AI sentiment gets compromised and redirected such that support for limiting access to capable generative models to the State and resea…

> We are going to have to restructure a lot of things about society and the software we use. There is a massive assumption there: that society as such will survive.

Just an unvoiced caveat. It's entirely possible that society won't survive the next century for a growing number of reasons.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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> I'm not really a fan of the "you criticize society yet you participate in it" argument. Me neither, and I didn't make such an argument. > You seem to forget the blood shed over the history that allowed that tech to benefit the people over just the robber barons. Unimaginable amounts of people died just so we could get a 5 day workweek and minimum wage. What does that have to do with my argument? What about my argum…

>Did you have a point to make or was this just a bunch of wanking? The way you "debate" is exactly a patt of the problem. You come in deflecting and attacking instead of understanding and clarifying. You didn't even give me a point to respond to that doesn't derail go way off topic. If you can't see it then I hope someone with more patience can help you out. But no point having a conversation with someone who approac…

1. I never asked to "debate" with you.

2. You decided to leave a comment on one of my comments, except it contained multiple straw man arguments and a gross mischaracterization, arguing in bad faith from the start.

3. I pointed out the issues with your comment, and asked if you had an actual point to make, or if it was just straw man arguments. I had no intention of continuing a discussion with you and do not need to provide you "points to respond to". I agree, when I have to stop and explain why your argument has issues, it derails the thread. That's the problem with straw man arguments.

4. It is your problem if you take issue with criticism and think it means I need to be "helped out" by "someone with more patience". That's quite a condescending response.

I can see that you didn't have a point to make, and instead elected to just take a bunch of negative jabs at me as retaliation for pointing out the errors in your argument.

So yes, let's end the conversation. It's quite ridiculous.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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No see “facts” are what I use to support my worldview, and what you’ve supplied are arguments, and I can discard your arguments through debate, especially because I believe that they’re founded on your feelings (like a silly “conscience”).

/s if it wasn’t obvious.

When I see the word “facts” used like this, I feel there’s a parallel to the way the word “respect” is used abusively, as outlined in this Tumblr post that has stuck with me for years:

https://soycrates.tumblr.com/post/115633137923/stimmyabby-so...

> Sometimes people use “respect” to mean “treating someone like a person” and sometimes they use “respect” to mean “treating someone like an authority”

> and sometimes people who are used to being treated like an authority say “if you won’t respect me I won’t respect you” and they mean “if you won’t treat me like an authority I won’t treat you like a person”

> and they think they’re being fair but they aren’t, and it’s not okay.

The word “facts” can be used abusively, as in “My facts prove my worldview, your “facts” are arguments based on emotion.”

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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> We are going to have to restructure a lot of things about society and the software we use. There is a massive assumption there: that society as such will survive.

Just an unvoiced caveat. It's entirely possible that society won't survive the next century for a growing number of reasons.

Indeed, so why would we roll the dice on even more of those reasons? We could play it safe for a change.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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> . Yes, it’s expanding the surveillance state, and yes, it’s destroying the education system, and yes, it’s being trained on copyrighted work without permission, and yes, it’s being used to create lethal autonomous weapons systems that can identify, target, and kill without human input, but… I forget my point, but ultimately, I think you should embrace it. What's your answer to this? How did it turn out for nuclear…

I wasn’t around at the time to argue against nuclear energy. I wasn’t old enough to argue against the internet. Plus to be fair to the ones who were, there was no prior tech that was anything like it to even make realistic guesses into what it would turn out to. I wasn’t old enough to argue against social media and the surveillance it brought. Now AI comes along. And I am old enough. And I am experienced enough in a…

Whether you were around or not is irrelevant, I wasn't around for some of that either. I brought it up so we can learn from the past instead of repeat those mistakes.

> , there was no prior tech that was anything like it to even make realistic guesses into what it would turn out to.

Same with LLMs.

> AI is not a net good.

You're falling into the same trap as previous generations when you do that. You won't actually end up fixing or improving the negative impacts of AI and your country/society will lose out big time in all sorts of ways.

Tech doesn't make things bad, people do to the most part. Where AI is abused, it needs legislation, not resistance and you should know it is a LOT more nuanced than that. How is an LLM language translator for tourists being loped in the same bucket as LLMs being used to target people for assasination? Your lack of nuance is laziness, no political or ideological stand can justify that laziness.

Nuclear energy had a lot of negatives, and people made the same types of arguments and outright banned it, next time you complain about climate change consider that your way of thinking might be part of the problem. Right now datacenter build outs are contributing to water scarcity for example, so instead of doing the hard and nuanced work of actually regulating and fixing that you oppose AI entirely. You do the easy thing, in the end we live in the real world and supply/demand economics rules, so your resistance is only performative at best, or catastrophic to the economy at worst. The latter part isn't for billionaries, and it isn't just for job markets, when the economy goes, all the climate change talk goes with it, all the EVs, green energy initiatives,etc... go, wars and crises increase, disease outbreaks increase. Doing the easy thing leads to this is my point, not that you need AI to prevent those.

> I find it absurd that experienced engineers today look at AI and believe it will make their children’s lives better, when very recent history, history they themselves lived through, tells a very different story.

100x it would! although whose children depends on who regulates it first. My bet is China and the EU will regulate the crap out of it and extract the most value for themselves and future generations. AI is just solution, a tool, it isn't magic as you very well know. Companies have being using ML for surveillance for a long time. The US gov was using life of pattern analysis ML ten years ago to pick out assassination targets in Afghanistan and Pakistan. You have a fundamental lack of laws and a broken system of governance, don't take that out on tech.

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