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Re: Vibe coding kills open source

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Post by ipaddr »

em-bee wrote: post #138
9dev wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, I don't believe that. Smartphones have amazing cameras, and we still have photographers. There are CNC saws and mills that will ship you your perfectly realised CAD prints, yet there are still carpenters and a vibrant community of people making their own furniture. These examples go on and on. Without any kind of offence implied: As maintainer of a few open source projects, I'm happy if it stops being an employab…

exactly this. FOSS was always driven by those who could code and did so driven by their own intrinsic motivation. those people won't disappear. there may be less people because some are more driven by quick results and while in the past they had to code to get there, now they don't, which means they won't discover the joy of coding. but for others coding will become an art and craft like woodworking or other hobbies…

People wrote code in the hopes that others would read it think positive about them and maybe improve things. Those projects are going away

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Post by computerthings »

WarmWash wrote: post #29

Small bespoke personalized on the spot apps are the future with LLMs. The future will absolutely not be "How things are today + LLMs" The paradigm now for software is "build a tool shed/garage/barn/warehouse full of as much capability for as many uses possible" but when LLMs can build you a custom(!) hammer or saw in a few minutes, why go to the shed?

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Re: Vibe coding kills open source

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Post by nektro »

WarmWash wrote: post #29

Small bespoke personalized on the spot apps are the future with LLMs. The future will absolutely not be "How things are today + LLMs" The paradigm now for software is "build a tool shed/garage/barn/warehouse full of as much capability for as many uses possible" but when LLMs can build you a custom(!) hammer or saw in a few minutes, why go to the shed?

the money's gonna run out and LLMs will disappear overnight

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Post by gitaarik »

nicoburns wrote: post #147
echelon wrote: post #33

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You won't have to ignore this stuff for long. Pretty soon it'll be mandatory to keep up. I've been a senior engineer doing large scale active-active, five nines distributed systems that process billions of dollars of transactions daily. These are well thought out systems with 20+ folks on design document reviews. Not all of the work falls into that category, though. There's so much plumbing and maintenance and wiring…

> Holy hell HN, downvoted to -4 in record time. Y'all don't like what's happening, but it's really happening. > > I'm not lying about this. > > I provided my background so you'd understand the context of my claims. I have a solid background in tech. There are lots of people claiming this. Many of whom have a solid background. Every now and then I check out someone's claim (checking the code they've generated). I've y…

But you can iterate over the code until you like it. If you don't review the code, you risk slop. But reviewing takes time, and most people don't do that in the prototyping stage, because the code might still significantly change. But as your project matures you become more critical of the code and you review it more closely. And over time you also get more feeling of how to work with the AI to get the results you want.

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Post by fragmede »

dns_snek wrote: post #182
fragmede wrote: post #129

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Part of democracy is that it's available to all citizens, and not just for the rich. Yes, it's always been possible to find someone , but not for $200/month that will work tirelessly wherever you want them to. 9:00 am Monday? great. 7pm Tuesday? Also great. 4 am on Sunday? Just as great, for an LLM.

How long will this heavily subsidized price of $200/month last? Do you really think these companies are going to let you pocket all the surplus value forever? We all know that the music is going to stop eventually and that the landscape after that is going to look very different. Subsidies will stop and investors will want their trillions in returns. Talking about "democratization" while everyone is just using other…

So as soon as all software has been written that can be written, they'll jack up the prices? After that comes to pass, I'm willing to pay them a premium on having AI write additional software.

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Post by nicbou »

aspenmartin wrote: post #230
II2II wrote: post #128

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> when LLMs can build you an custom(!) hammer or saw in a few minutes, why go to the shed? Because software developers typically understand how to implement a solution to problem better than the client. If they don't have enough details to implement a solution, they will ask the client for details. If the developer decides to use an LLM to implement a solution, they have the ability to assess the end product. The pro…

> Because software developers typically understand how to implement a solution to problem better than the client. If they don't have enough details to implement a solution, they will ask the client for details. If the developer decides to use an LLM to implement a solution, they have the ability to assess the end product. Why do you think agents can’t do that? They can’t do this really well today but if the distance…

My experience with LLMs is that you can’t get them to clarify things by asking questions. They just assume facts and run with it.

My experience with software development is that a lot of things are learned by asking probing questions informed by your experience. How would an LLM understand the subtle political context behind a requirement or navigate unwritten rules discussed in meetings a year ago?

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Post by troutpanda »

WarmWash wrote: post #29

Small bespoke personalized on the spot apps are the future with LLMs. The future will absolutely not be "How things are today + LLMs" The paradigm now for software is "build a tool shed/garage/barn/warehouse full of as much capability for as many uses possible" but when LLMs can build you a custom(!) hammer or saw in a few minutes, why go to the shed?

Finally a world where everyone uses different hammers and no one can work on anything unless you can ask the hammer-oracle to reverse engineer the other people's hammers and nails

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Post by croes »

fragmede wrote: post #286
dns_snek wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long will this heavily subsidized price of $200/month last? Do you really think these companies are going to let you pocket all the surplus value forever? We all know that the music is going to stop eventually and that the landscape after that is going to look very different. Subsidies will stop and investors will want their trillions in returns. Talking about "democratization" while everyone is just using other…

So as soon as all software has been written that can be written, they'll jack up the prices? After that comes to pass, I'm willing to pay them a premium on having AI write additional software.

Much sooner.

And if all software has been written that can be written what additional software do you want to write?

Re: Vibe coding kills open source

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Post by xacky »

WarmWash wrote: post #29

Small bespoke personalized on the spot apps are the future with LLMs. The future will absolutely not be "How things are today + LLMs" The paradigm now for software is "build a tool shed/garage/barn/warehouse full of as much capability for as many uses possible" but when LLMs can build you a custom(!) hammer or saw in a few minutes, why go to the shed?

This is also the general threat to books and encyclopedias. Grok for all its point of view flaws still generated a full encyclopedia in two months that Wikipedia by humans took 25 years and Britannica over three centuries. The only remaining issue is when we can finally trust AI to be correct more than expert humans and be aligned with human moral consensus.
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