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Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by egorfine »

I don't see any drawbacks on this. Recent protests demonstrated that:

a) protests can and will be crushed by the government forces and people will be ultimately defeated;

b) people have no means to force government to enable back freedoms;

c) control is much easier with no internet available.

Russia is on the same path by providing white-list only internet access "during Ukrainian attacks" and a bit longer every time until ultimately internet will become whitelist only.

Also as we have seen specifically in russia, there is no shortage of senior software developers and network engineers truly putting in their best work to block VPNs better and deeper.

Thus Iran's (and russia's) internet blackout may indeed become permanent.

Update: obviously in this comment I am looking at this from the standpoint of an oppressive government.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by FridayoLeary »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #85
gambutin wrote: post #41

I’m curious if it’s possible to somehow retrieve the whitelist to see who’s on it?

Mossad is curious as well. They might want to indiscriminately make people's devices blow up in public again.

lol

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by gryfft »

egorfine wrote: post #281

I don't see any drawbacks on this. Recent protests demonstrated that: a) protests can and will be crushed by the government forces and people will be ultimately defeated; b) people have no means to force government to enable back freedoms; c) control is much easier with no internet available. Russia is on the same path by providing white-list only internet access "during Ukrainian attacks" and a bit longer every time…

Do you have a different definition of 'drawback' than I do?

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by expedition32 »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #4
weikju wrote: post #2

… while every other country waits to see how it goes while drafting plans to emulate this

I mean... EU already blocks eg. some russian sites (some countries more effectively than others)... plus all the chat control pressures every year. Spain is blocking whole blocks of internet during football matches. UK is making you "show your ID card" to jerk off. But every such country likes pointing fingers at others, "hey, our censorship is not bad, they have more of it!". edit: considering the downvotes, HN is n…

The difference is that people in my country get to vote. A lot.

In the Netherlands GOVERNMENT=THE PEOPLE to a rather problematic degree (if only you knew how bad things really are).

If you want to start an argument "the Netherlands is just like Iran" I challenge it with 20 political parties in Parliament. Including a pro Kremlin party lol.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by direwolf20 »

marrs wrote: post #277
direwolf20 wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's freedom of market. You need to sue your ISP for contract breach, they said they'd provide internet access and didn't.

If you have to sue your provider just to get a normal service then society has already failed. I can only imagine you're an American for litigation to be your go-to solution.

I rarely encounter a company that doesn't scam me to the maximum extent it thinks it can get away with. That extent is determined by how many customers sue them.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by ktallett »

gryfft wrote: post #283
egorfine wrote: post #281

I don't see any drawbacks on this. Recent protests demonstrated that: a) protests can and will be crushed by the government forces and people will be ultimately defeated; b) people have no means to force government to enable back freedoms; c) control is much easier with no internet available. Russia is on the same path by providing white-list only internet access "during Ukrainian attacks" and a bit longer every time…

Do you have a different definition of 'drawback' than I do?

As in the total opposite meaning?

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by Telaneo »

gryfft wrote: post #283
egorfine wrote: post #281

I don't see any drawbacks on this. Recent protests demonstrated that: a) protests can and will be crushed by the government forces and people will be ultimately defeated; b) people have no means to force government to enable back freedoms; c) control is much easier with no internet available. Russia is on the same path by providing white-list only internet access "during Ukrainian attacks" and a bit longer every time…

Do you have a different definition of 'drawback' than I do?

They presumably mean drawback from the government's perspective. For the average citizen it obviously sucks.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by egorfine »

gryfft wrote: post #283
egorfine wrote: post #281

I don't see any drawbacks on this. Recent protests demonstrated that: a) protests can and will be crushed by the government forces and people will be ultimately defeated; b) people have no means to force government to enable back freedoms; c) control is much easier with no internet available. Russia is on the same path by providing white-list only internet access "during Ukrainian attacks" and a bit longer every time…

Do you have a different definition of 'drawback' than I do?

I'm speaking from the standpoint of an oppressive government. Freedom of internet access is something that they would rather never allow.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by marbli2 »

mahdi7d1 wrote: post #200
gambutin wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glad to see you here. I’m almost afraid to ask but how are you and everyone else?

I use this same username everywhere and it's tied to my identity so let me keep it brief. I live in a small town and you wouldn't get much protesting or any political activity in those. On the other hand, I'm currently serving in the police force (Which all able bodied men of age have to do and serve in one of the three armed forces of my country) and the bigger question since the start of the protests has been "What…

Logged in just to say, 100% with the other person's comment for you to make a new username... why even risk having something so personally identifiable on the internet especially in the country you live in. I don't and I live in the United States...

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

#290

Post by traceroute66 »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #4
weikju wrote: post #2

… while every other country waits to see how it goes while drafting plans to emulate this

I mean... EU already blocks eg. some russian sites (some countries more effectively than others)... plus all the chat control pressures every year. Spain is blocking whole blocks of internet during football matches. UK is making you "show your ID card" to jerk off. But every such country likes pointing fingers at others, "hey, our censorship is not bad, they have more of it!". edit: considering the downvotes, HN is n…

> UK is making you "show your ID card" to jerk off.

If you are going to post shit like that, at least get your fucking facts right.

Namely that you are three weeks out of date sushine.

The idea has been dropped: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3385zrrx73o

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