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In Germany it's wrong.
How does it work in Germany?
Your by law allowed to chose your own hardware.
Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet
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Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet
#282I own a FTTH connection to Telekom since 2018, as the only provider in my street, allowed to install an internet connection (only glass fiber). Since then, I have always used my own device and I maintain a GitHub Snippet in how to connect OpenWRT modem (and by extension, any other modem that supports pppoe), rather than their Huawei SpeedPort crap or the more expensive Fritz Box). Link to Gist : https://gist.github.c…
You might be able to switch to a different ISP, e. g. 1&1. They rent the line from Telekom but you still get their peering.
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#283Telekom is well known for the crappy service - but they have a de facto monopoly. For example, when it rains, the line goes down where I live. Solution: I got my Starlink. 3x speed. No crappy service. Weather independent. And surprinsingly cheaper ( 40 euros vs 45 ) . [ as much as I do not like Musk & co, this is a real useful thing he build for the mankind - internet everywere from sattelite ]
> Telekom is well known for the crappy service - but they have a de facto monopoly. For example, when it rains, the line goes down where I live. Haha, I used to have that as well when tech swapped from ADSL2 to VDSL2 (IIRC skipped out on VDSL1), except then the line wasn't down, I'd have severe packet loss (which resulted in lag in gaming, and disconnects). So they blamed our inner house's phone lines. Then some dude…
It was a busines decision for me: being in customer meetings and suddenly dropping out was unacceptable. Or not being able to access critical data. Vodafone LTA coverage is average at best and data is severily limited ( 15 GBs ). Really out of options here!!
While I chuckled at "American neonazi", the company SpaceX is doing great things.
Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet
#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You don't want a tier 1 carrier as your ISP The best part about ISPs, is that usually who have very few choices, sometimes only one! Where I grew up, we had the choice of "broadband" (via antennas between an island and mainland) with one ISP, or modem with any telephone company. Eventually, proper cables where put, and we had a choice between 6 different operators. Where I live now, I only have 3 options for ISPs w…
ISP “choice” is mostly a meme, yeah. But depending on local rules, you can sometimes route around the monopoly: trench your own last-mile (at least on private land), do a neighborhood co-op, connect buildings, etc. It’s sometimes expensive and you’ll hit permits/right-of-way bureaucracy, but it’s totally doable if you’ve got a few (rich) friends or a business willing to back it. “the conduit is full” is often just BS…
> Romania is a good example of what happens when lots of small operators aggressively wire dense apartment blocks: brutal competition, low barrier to entry, and suddenly everyone has insane internet.
And it propagated to Spain thanks to the Romanian DIGI playing their strong bets for a while. I've had the access to the cheapest while also best-uptime-service option because of them on the two places I've lived in the city. They're still deploying as much as they can and meanwhile they offer VULA access where they don't have (In Spain thanks to the NEBA regulation, biggest ISPs are obligated to ease local access for any other operator) own infrastucture.
So it's available also at my parents' as well since a few months ago (Internet access still contracted with another company which honoured the low price offered back then which was subject to some conditions, and even having risen prices as much as three or four times, they've respected them for staying clients). I didn't see the need for the switch, but wouldn't had given much thought to it.
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Well there is one : Eutelsat OneWeb
Huh TIL. What a troubled history. Bankruptcy shortly following launch of the initial batch, then in 2022 Russia stole the launch fee and a stack of 36 satellites from them. They're online but unfortunately it seems they don't sell directly to consumers? So you have to find a local reseller. Sounds needlessly complicated. Apparently Amazon's constellation should be available for consumers within the next 6 months as w…
But honestly is like a movie or what? we have Musk, Bezos and Xi. Hard to choose.
We need netral or less controversial player.
Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet
#286I own a FTTH connection to Telekom since 2018, as the only provider in my street, allowed to install an internet connection (only glass fiber). Since then, I have always used my own device and I maintain a GitHub Snippet in how to connect OpenWRT modem (and by extension, any other modem that supports pppoe), rather than their Huawei SpeedPort crap or the more expensive Fritz Box). Link to Gist : https://gist.github.c…
As a fellow OpenWRT user who tried many DNS solutions including unbound, also consider NextDNS. They are pretty awesome.
Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet
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> The most concerning limitation in the German market is the unavailability of native Glass Fiber modems, that can accept as input a Glass Fiber connection: at the moment, providers install their own Glass Fiber modem. Im actually quite okay with that. Why should I have to pay for specialized hardware that won't be usable if I move and the new apartment uses DSL or docsis. Give me an rj45 (or sfp for some fiber conne…
You say "why should I have to pay", but they really haven't said or suggested anything about how they'd rather you paid for anything. They're talking about having an option to supply one's own device, not about requiring so. The common rationale behind this I'm aware of is that an ONT device is technically a computer with persistence, hosting arbitrary code and data that you cannot (or at least not supposed to) audit…
Very much indeed, a 'rogue ONT' can screw another nearly 63 users' acess in my area. Oversubscription is very noticeable, but just not problematic. 10G FTTH delivering 60~70% of the bandwidth is enough I guess. And latencies or jitter aren't a thing either.
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> You don't want a tier 1 carrier as your ISP The best part about ISPs, is that usually who have very few choices, sometimes only one! Where I grew up, we had the choice of "broadband" (via antennas between an island and mainland) with one ISP, or modem with any telephone company. Eventually, proper cables where put, and we had a choice between 6 different operators. Where I live now, I only have 3 options for ISPs w…
ISP “choice” is mostly a meme, yeah. But depending on local rules, you can sometimes route around the monopoly: trench your own last-mile (at least on private land), do a neighborhood co-op, connect buildings, etc. It’s sometimes expensive and you’ll hit permits/right-of-way bureaucracy, but it’s totally doable if you’ve got a few (rich) friends or a business willing to back it. “the conduit is full” is often just BS…
> ISP “choice” is mostly a meme, yeah.
I think Australia's model works really well – the last mile is (with occasional exceptions) owned by a government-owned ISP, NBNCo. But NBNCo is purely a wholesaler, and they only provide service from the premises to the local telephone exchange. There are dozens of competing retail ISPs, and they own the connection from the local exchange onwards. So if one of them is screwing you over, you can switch to another. And if you have a fibre connection, you can even split your fibre connection over multiple retail ISPs–you can sign up for new one as a trial without cancelling the old one, and then reverting back is literally just swapping an Ethernet cable to a different port.
I'm surprised more countries haven't copied it.
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The "glass fiber modem" is an inherent part of the GPON network. These are complicated. The "P" stands for "passive". Yours and and up to 127 other houses are all on the same "light domain" i.e. the downstream is passively split, and the upstream is passively combined, in optical boxes that don't even have electrical parts. This needs crazy accurate timing for the upstream. The head end needs to know the exact delay…
They are complicated, but standardised and commoditised. Ubiquiti, for example, sells an ONT (fibre modem) in a SFP form factor for US$39 [1], or a little standalone unit with an Ethernet port for US$49 [2]. 1. https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/fiber-gpon/products/uf-i... 2. https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/fiber-gpon/products/wave...
Here in Spain it was common to get one of these to replace the ISP ONT:
https://eu.store.ui.com/eu/en/category/fiber-gpon/products/u...
Not that I had the need or anything, but it's similarly priced to the example in 2. Seems to me like maybe they're phasing it out soon?
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Is it possible to use a media converter from glass fiber to RJ45/Ethernet? Those are commonly available and then you can use whatever modem/router you like.
I don't know if it's the case in Germany, but here in France consumer FTTH networks are of the GPON persuasion. These need to handle encryption and be able to properly register on the tree, so I'm not completely shocked they require some form of ISP-provided device to terminate the fiber connection. There's also a EU law which says that users should be able to bring their own modems / routers, so AFAIK providers say…
> I'm not familiar with how Orange, the biggest operator, functions. But I understand they have a general tendency to be a PITA so YMMV with them.
I can only attest how they work here in Spain: They're not the best in terms of the 'openness' of their hardware: (in Spanish, feel free to us a translator) https://bandaancha.eu/articulos/router-pone-orange-jazztel-s...