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Re: European Alternatives

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Post by jacquesm »

palata wrote: post #253
atmosx wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the EU governments will be advertising it.. already happened in Greece… few companies with strong core tech were bought by Microsoft and the gov was “so happy” for the “success story”. Everybody and their mother is using Gmail anyway

> Everybody and their mother is using Gmail anyway Though that's one of the easy ones. Get your own domain and you're free to use whatever you want forever.

That's not as simple as it may seem. I've been running my own mailserver on an alternate domain for decades now and it is one thing to be receiving mail there but to send it is a nightmare. Google, Microsoft etc have made it all but impossible to get through their anti-spam measures to the point that they reject tons of perfectly good mail.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

quicksilver03 wrote: post #209
vldszn wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know any good alternatives?

I've been able to submit new entries to https://eucloud.tech/ https://buy-european.net/ I've also found other problematic ones: https://euro-stack.com/ (I couldn't understand how to submit a new entry) https://www.goeuropean.org/ (all submissions fail with an AirTable error [sic] that the workspace is at the record limit)

Euro-Stack.eu is a scam that promotes European software using:

    A wordpress.com based website hosted in California by the US company Auttomatic

    Fronted by Cloudflare, a US monopoly (this is probably part of wordpress.com paid subscription)

    Edits its letter to EU Commission asking to support European IT industry in Microsoft Word.

    Converts it to PDF with Adobe software

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by ggm »

gtirloni wrote: post #49

This is nice but if Europe doesn't fix their tech salaries situation (half US' in most cases, if not lower), I don't think it's sustainable.

Over what period of time do you predict economic downfall for European tech because of salaries?

Please explain your working. These last 40 years or more there has been a cliff of money, but Europeans continue to live and work in europe.

You have to have an incredibly narrow definition of "only good people work for more money and only poor/ineffective people work for less" to say people who don't chase the millions in a US company are somehow failures.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by layer8 »

vldszn wrote: post #108
quicksilver03 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen the same thing, the site accepts submissions but there's no one to either approve or reject them. Unfortunately they did really well at SEO at one time, and more active alternatives appear far below in the search results.

Do you know any good alternatives?

Someone should make european-alternatives-alternatives.eu.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by microtonal »

lmf4lol wrote: post #192
skrebbel wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You simply don’t need such inflated salaries if schools are free, roads are not broken, trains exist, healthcare is affordable, grocery stores are in biking distance, parks are good and free and plenty, labor laws are in your favour, utilities markets mostly aren’t dysfunctional and a 2-bedroom apartment doesn't cost $10000/m. Americans compare their salaries to European ones but never stop to imagine the insane high…

True. But the systems are more and more breaking down. Its unsustainable. At least what I can tell from Germany and the Netherlands. to see a healthcare specialist, you wait 3-6months in some cases. Not talking about the trains. Germany DB runs on time in only 50% of the cases. So thats a big problem

Ehm, my parents some serious health issues the last two years and they usually had their appointments in days or at most a small number of weeks. (NL)

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

mpol wrote: post #224
202508042147 wrote: post #174

One obvious thing missing from any of those lists: Visa and Mastercard alternatives. This is the protection money that is never brought up by the US officials when they say that America was paying for our security.

Wero is coming. Currently it is only available in a few countries.

No it's not.

Wero is another name for iDEAL, it has been pushed by Dutch, but it is an engineering fiasco.

There is no way Poland would adopt it. Blik is just on another level price- and feature-wise.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by technothrasher »

drnick1 wrote: post #157
tene80i wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK did not leave Europe. Just the EU. But also English fluency is widespread, so it’s not a bad starting point.

> But also English fluency is widespread, so it’s not a bad starting point. Being able to string together a couple of sentences is not "being fluent." By that standard, all of America would be fluent in Spanish.

Basic fluency in English is widespread enough that I've had to be way out in the boonies in pretty much any country I've visited for me not to find somebody who can speak English. It makes me feel like a bit of a fool not being able to speak anything but English myself. I've got a learning disability that affects my ability to learn languages, so as much as I've tried, I'm not able to get much further than being able to get fed and find the bathroom in any other language.

I did hit a funny situation in rural France once where I was talking to a French restaurateur through one person who spoke French and Spanish, and then a second person who spoke Spanish and English. It was convoluted, but it worked enough to get me a meal. Alternatively, when I was in rural Spain, near the French border, a French speaking lady desperately tried to get me to help translate for her since she didn't speak Spanish and the merchant she wanted to talk to didn't speak French. Unfortunately, neither of them spoke English. The best I could do was communicate to the merchant in my broken Spanish that I couldn't help.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by layer8 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #203
202508042147 wrote: post #166

Doing my bit: migrating my small company's db this weekend from AWS RDS to Hetzner VPS + volumes. Fingers crossed! Already done: replaced SendGrid with Sweego. Later: move domains from US registrar to EU based. The difficult bit is the Microsoft Office because we are also using Azure DevOps for code, tickets, wiki and ci/cd.

What EU based registrars would you recommend?

SchlundTech

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by s_dev »

202508042147 wrote: post #174

One obvious thing missing from any of those lists: Visa and Mastercard alternatives. This is the protection money that is never brought up by the US officials when they say that America was paying for our security.

https://www.ecb.europa.eu/euro/digital_euro/html/index.en.ht...

The digital Euro has not been implemented yet. Some analysts are skeptical but this is the EUs answer for Visa/Mastercard.

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