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SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by horsawlarway »

mosura wrote: post #253
torginus wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drama aside, why would someone prefer Adafruit or Sparkfun products over much cheaper whitelabel alternatives from China? A lot of those come with very good support and communities as well.

Olimex are a better middle ground than sparkfun or adafruit for the things they cover. In truth people will spend a lot of money paying other people to shop on Aliexpress for them so they can maintain the illusion they are above all that.

Personally, I've had absolutely miserable experiences trying to get products on Aliexpress.

I have at least 3 paid for orders that literally just never showed up (18650 charger, and two LFP 24v chargers). It's not a huge sum of money (~$45) but it's just... gone. Poof - into the ether. It's been more than 24 months.

I also have had orders take 3+ months to actually arrive. Consistently. And some products that do show up but are absolutely unfit for purpose (ex - copper wire that IS NOT COPPER).

Given the complete lack of reliability... I now avoid aliexpress for pretty much everything.

So sure - something like sparkfun/adafruit/etc is going to charge me an overhead, but that overhead ensures

1. The product will roughly work

2. The product will show up

3. The product will show up on a reasonable timeline

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The extra money isn't so I can have an illusion that I'm "above all that"... it's literally just setting a baseline service level that I don't mind paying extra for, because aliexpress isn't a reliable shop (and is borderline scammy as fuck).

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by allreduce »

swed420 wrote: post #250
allreduce wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it weird to jump to this from the scarce information we have. "Someone did a CoC violation" is just a way for an org to say "someone was an asshole to such an extent it was driving other people away or getting us into legal trouble", with the manner of assholery defined in the CoC. 9/10 times it is nothing sinister. Of course right now we just don't know what happened.

> I find it weird to jump to this from the scarce information we have. If you look at how I worded my comment, you'll see I didn't jump to any conclusion. Only you have, apparently. (edit: Also unsurprising to see your account is two days old)

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Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by threethirtytwo »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #222
threethirtytwo wrote: post #154

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Right, then why are you publicizing / dramatizing your own disgust?

tu quo que

I'm not condemning public drama. I support public drama. I'm questioning you, specifically.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by renewiltord »

komali2 wrote: post #140
deng wrote: post #118

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> I hope my snarky joke wasn't too annoying Don't worry, he always writes like this.

I think it's a trend among tech founders, I've seen some on Twitter doing it, and then a bunch of hanger-ons copying the behavior.

You’re right. Sam Altman does this and others repeat it like people used to wear black turtlenecks.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by Semaphor »

ptorrone wrote: post #231
relaxing wrote: post #223

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Buried in there is the Sparkfun guy did in fact register a vanity domain and stand up a site for the purpose of harassing the Adafruit guy. Kind of shitty to play the victim at that point.

correct "the Sparkfun guy did in fact register a vanity domain and stand up a site for the purpose of harassing"

From the screenshots posted, you seem to be doing significantly more harassing. Or are those all fake?

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by ahepp »

nikdoof wrote: post #217
hamburglar wrote: post #206

As an uninformed observer, here is a possible sequence of events that sounds somewhat plausible based on what we know so far: * sparkfun employee engages in some shitty behavior (maybe harassment, maybe photoshops) toward adafruit CEO * adafruit engages sparkfun to ask them to put a stop to it * employee leaves sparkfun * employee continues shitty behavior * adafruit continues to bug sparkfun about behavior * sparkfu…

Honestly, if I received an email like this from the MD of a customer, I'd probably want to wash my hands of them as well https://gist.github.com/NPoole/df0ec196ac1db7e6eecfd2496b9b4...

Setting aside any concept of who's "right" or "wrong", if I got an email like this from the MD of a customer, I'd share it with my team, we'd all laugh a bit, take a deep breath, and find a way to de-escalate the situation.

Similarly if I were buying product from a supplier and they made an immature joke I found hurtful, I would probably just ignore it. If it was a recurring problem maybe I'd say "I really didn't appreciate when you 'd, can we keep this focused on business in the future?" And if that didn't solve things, I'd see if someone else could be assigned to handle the account.

I hope those examples don't minimize what either side is feeling, but I have to say that I don't feel I've seen anything in this thread that gets my blood pumping. Dealing with difficult or rude people is part of the job and part of life.

Taking things personally, especially in business, is a _very_ expensive luxury. And if that isn't convincing enough, if you still feel angry about it in a month you can usually yell at them later. But if you escalate today and feel foolish about it later, it's a lot more difficult to mend the wounds.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by mrgoldenbrown »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #124
csande17 wrote: post #85

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It would be deeply funny if SparkFun was referring to Adafruit forwarding inappropriate emails written by SparkFun employees to SparkFun, in an attempt to report their harassment.

That is exactly how I understand it at the moment. And depending on the material, it would be a somewhat valid complaint, if the report included the material without prior warning. Though, not valid enough to call CoC on this, IMHO.

From the little we know the "material" in question would be photoshops made to harass Limor, made by someone at sparkfun. So it would be weird for sparkfun to complain , given the content originated with one of their employees. (Allegedly)

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by palmotea »

komali2 wrote: post #140
deng wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hope my snarky joke wasn't too annoying Don't worry, he always writes like this.

I think it's a trend among tech founders, I've seen some on Twitter doing it, and then a bunch of hanger-ons copying the behavior.

Not just tech founders. Jeffrey Epstein writing is just atrocious. Like how does anyone habitually use a commas ,, like this?

I've heard it referred to as a "flex," basically doing something stupid to rub it in that you can get away with it.

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