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Re: Influencers and OnlyFans models are dominating U.S. O-1 visa requests

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Post by volkk »

array_key_first wrote: post #247
tehlike wrote: post #241

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You would not have a lot of trouble with your kid trying to be best in basketball, or football, and make a name for it. I don't think the same would apply to OF or porn. Totally different things.

I mean, this is purely for socially constructed morality reasons. In actuality, both require you to sell your body, and both can have long standing health effects. If anything, I would say the typical OF model sells their body much less than an athlete. I mean, I don't think they're going to tear their ACL. And also, both offer no real tangible value to humanity. Sports do not produce anything, neither does porn, the…

> A cashier at McDonalds is providing more absolute value to the world than even the most esteemed athlete.

Do you actually believe this or are you just ragebaiting?

> That's not to say that athletes are bad, entertainment and games are important. But you can't just say one form of mindless entertainment is more valuable than another form.

Sport isn't mindless entertainment--that's just objectively false. The "dumb" entertainment you're speaking of is built _around_ sports (e.g gambling) while physical competition is as old as time. Porn is also the exact opposite of this. It's just a byproduct of entertainment and boredom/vice. For sports, humans have pushed themselves to the extreme limit through discipline for a millennia--which inspires many, creates stronger people, gets some out of poverty, or depression, or countless other things. The fact that you're comparing porn to sports or the most esteemed athletes to random low level cashiers at McDonalds in value creation for society tells me you're an advanced troll and I already just spent too much time replying.

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Post by tehlike »

testacc74 wrote: post #255
tehlike wrote: post #253

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Sports is not turning body into tradable good. Sports is hard work, discipline, drive, often starting as a kid.

Professional sports is. Difference between professional sports and sports is like prostitution/OF/porn and sex.

Uh hum.

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Post by tehlike »

array_key_first wrote: post #259
tehlike wrote: post #252

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Anything is a social construct. I don't know if you'd want to marry a porn star, and if not, that should tell you what he difference is. This is one of those things which is "freedom" in theory but has many second order effects in practice.

I'd have no issue marrying a porn star, but maybe I'm strange. But, regardless, we don't qualify immigrants but how marry-able they are.

Immigration policies are shaped around something that government wants more of. Skill, labor, etc.

I don't see a world where of star qualifies for that.

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Post by wolvoleo »

NewJazz wrote: post #181
hnlmorg wrote: post #129

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Why? I actually worked in the adult industry earlier in my career so have a better insight than most. and I can tell you that these models are just normal people like you an I. They aren’t interested in corrupting your children nor throwing wild sex parties in public spaces.

Just because they don't have ill intent doesn't mean the fact that some of the most highly paid members of our society being sex workers sends a message about what kind of skills and assets are valuable, and which aren't as valuable.

> skills and assets

I saw what you did there :D

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Post by rayiner »

aiauthoritydev wrote: post #127
superfrank wrote: post #10

It's funny, early on it says > The O-1 category includes the O-1A, which is designated for individuals with extraordinary ability in the sciences, education, business or athletics and the O-1B, reserved for those with “extraordinary ability or achievement”. Then later it says > The O-1B visa, once reserved for Hollywood titans and superstar musicians, has evolved over the years. I understand those two aren't necessar…

I am not a lawyer. But OF models using O1 visa is totally fine. It is the intended purpose. The visa itself is meant for researchers, scholars who have job offers, athletes, actors etc. it has no cap and clear criteria. OF models who make a lot of money should totally qualify for this. Also this visa in uncapped so giving visas to OF models does not take away anything from scientists and others. O visa's original int…

> O visa's original intent was to help pretty ladies from Eastern Europe to be brought into the country as indentured workers

That seems like something we should fix?

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Post by wolvoleo »

volkk wrote: post #281
array_key_first wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, this is purely for socially constructed morality reasons. In actuality, both require you to sell your body, and both can have long standing health effects. If anything, I would say the typical OF model sells their body much less than an athlete. I mean, I don't think they're going to tear their ACL. And also, both offer no real tangible value to humanity. Sports do not produce anything, neither does porn, the…

> A cashier at McDonalds is providing more absolute value to the world than even the most esteemed athlete. Do you actually believe this or are you just ragebaiting? > That's not to say that athletes are bad, entertainment and games are important. But you can't just say one form of mindless entertainment is more valuable than another form. Sport isn't mindless entertainment--that's just objectively false. The "dumb"…

just entertainment? Aton of people just watch sports to shout at the TV (or field) and drink beer. A lot more than are genuinely interested in the physical performance.

And really, we absolutely glorify entertainment in our society. People look up more to Kim Kardashian or a Will Smith than a king. Athletes also but more because they bring in the "win" which is more entertainment. It's all about making you feel good about winning or the chance of it, and the Idea that you're part of it.

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Post by shagmin »

volkk wrote: post #116
hnlmorg wrote: post #70

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If what you’re just concerned about people “baring themselves on camera” then they can continue to do that without emigrating to America and it would still affect your culture. The internet is global after all. Also, it’s going to take more than a few thousand immigrants a year to affect the culture of a country as populous as America.

i mean you said it yourself, the internet is global. those few thousand can have impressions of hundreds of millions. whether they do their cam shows abroad or local matters little. it's the inherent incentivization approved by a government that leads to deeper cultural erosion. if you're in a poor country with no access to education, and your only way into the US is porn, then that's what will ultimately win, rather…

If a person immigrates to the USA due to success with onlyfans, are they not productive members of society by virtue of having taxable & disposable income from the fruits of their labor? They don't need a PHD to be productive anymore than a soccer player, mentioned earlier. In reality we already have American citizens in the US paying for their college degrees via onlyfans.

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Post by xp84 »

shagie wrote: post #274
xp84 wrote: post #159

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Benefit to the person is probably a path to citizenship and more economic opportunities (especially since being a camgirl is a young person’s career with almost no long-term prospects) Benefit to the USA, being generous, is that those earnings of the camgirl may then be spent in the US instead of flowing overseas. At least some of it will. Critics would rightly point out though that importing thousands of camgirls in…

> Benefit to the person is probably a path to citizenship As I understand it, from an O-1 visa (a temporary one that needs to be renewed every year after the third), the next step is the Employment-Based Immigration: First Preference EB-1 visa. https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/permanent... > You may be eligible for an employment-based, first-preference visa if you are an alien of extraordinary abili…

Thanks for the research. I didn't know that at all. I guess the main path to citizenship then is getting a green card and citizenship by marriage. That's a very real possibility which wouldn't be nearly as easy to do if you were working from Russia or Colombia.

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Post by wiosnaintel »

tamimio wrote: post #214

Golden age!! Try now to convince a young person to become a doctor or an engineer, when an OF individual can make in a day what they will make in 40y, assuming they found a job anyway. Idiocracy was a glimpse into the future, not a movie.

That's because you compare a median doctor/engineer with the best OF individuals. Wouldn't you want to compare them with Sergey Brin/Thomas Frist in this case.
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