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Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by aobdev »

kolanos wrote: post #265
jasongill wrote: post #9

It's $12.99/mo or $129/yr for a subscription that includes Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, Pixelmator Pro, Motion, Compressor, MainStage, Keynote, Pages, and Numbers Educational discount with verification required drops the price to $2.99/mo / $29.99/yr. The regular-price subscription includes family sharing, education price does not. One-time purchase versions remain available: Final Cut Pro ($299.99), Logic Pro ($199.99)…

Does this mean Keynote and Pages are now paid products? Aren't they included with Mac OS?

From the subheading: “plus new AI features and premium content in Keynote, Pages, and Numbers”

Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

btown wrote: post #187
jasongill wrote: post #9

It's $12.99/mo or $129/yr for a subscription that includes Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, Pixelmator Pro, Motion, Compressor, MainStage, Keynote, Pages, and Numbers Educational discount with verification required drops the price to $2.99/mo / $29.99/yr. The regular-price subscription includes family sharing, education price does not. One-time purchase versions remain available: Final Cut Pro ($299.99), Logic Pro ($199.99)…

As someone who's loved Logic Pro since the days before Apple bought Emagic, this is amazing that it will be accessible to a broader audience. There are many discussions e.g. https://gearspace.com/board/music-computers/1433515-why-does... about the reasons for its popularity, but one stands out to me - its event data model. There are far too many tools out there (from FL Studio on one end, to MuseScore on the other) t…

There's a lot of information in a traditional western score that cannot be easily represented in a pianoroll, at least not losslessly.

Considering them as alternate views of the same data model gets problematic when the composer uses the full bag of tricks that score notation allows (notably repeats, but also the problem of representing tuplets correctly when a pianoroll can offer no clues about how to structure them). So for example, the user can create a set of notes in the pianoroll that will never be played correctly by anyone reading the score; the user can create dynamics in the score that cannot be correctly presented in the pianoroll version.

I'm not saying it isn't possible to do an MVC-style system with two different views of the same data model - it clearly is. It's just moving between the two views is not lossless, and moving between the two controllers (i.e. editing) is not equivalent.

Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by krm01 »

It’s actually a pretty big deal. I always wondered why they didnt compete with Adobe. Even when Steve Jobs was still around. 90%+ of Adobe users are on Macs.

Why though isn’t such a significant announcement on the Apple.com homepage?

Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by mrkstu »

deafpolygon wrote: post #194
jasongill wrote: post #9

It's $12.99/mo or $129/yr for a subscription that includes Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, Pixelmator Pro, Motion, Compressor, MainStage, Keynote, Pages, and Numbers Educational discount with verification required drops the price to $2.99/mo / $29.99/yr. The regular-price subscription includes family sharing, education price does not. One-time purchase versions remain available: Final Cut Pro ($299.99), Logic Pro ($199.99)…

My concern here is are they going to start locking features for Pages, Numbers, and Keynote behind a paywall? Yes, it’s free—but will they still have all of the newer features without a subscription?

I’m assuming that they’re going to (fairly) lock AI generative features behind the subscription since they’ll be incurring ongoing costs.

Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by mh2266 »

pier25 wrote: post #143
fidotron wrote: post #18

> These apps will continue receiving updates, with the latest versions adopting the beautiful new visual design language with Liquid Glass on all platforms Are the Apple people really this oblivious, or is someone in PR trolling us?

They don't have much of a choice. They bet the house on liquid glass and need to keep up appearances.

> They bet the house on liquid glass

How? If they reverted to the previous iOS and macOS designs, Apple would go out of business?

Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by g947o »

yohannparis wrote: post #112
g947o wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought they basically gave away Keynote/Pages etc to anyone with an Apple device?

It's literally in the introduction of the page. > plus new AI features and premium content in Keynote, Pages, and Numbers

So it's the GP comment that is inaccurate.

Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

BeetleB wrote: post #257
Plasmoid2000ad wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes - but perpetual purchases have an interesting gotcha that Microsoft didn't realise at first. To encourage subscription over perpetual, ongoing or evergreen updates are limited to subscription version. Office 2024 has every feature that was added since Office 2021 to the subscription version - while a chunk of loyal customers are unaware of them. Back when Google was competing hard with Google Suite, a big percept…

> To encourage subscription over perpetual, ongoing or evergreen updates are limited to subscription version. Of course ... ? Before the subscription model, you wouldn't get free Office upgrades.

You would definitely not get free upgrades for Office. You would get minor point release updates. You also had to upgrade the Mac version often for:

- the System 7 transition

- the 040 Macs and to get a “32 bit clean version”

- to get the full speed of running natively on PPC Macs

- to get a native OS X version instead of one that ran in the OS 9 sandbox

- the Intel transition to get native performance.

I would much rather pay $150 (?) a year for a five user license where each user gets 1TB of storage and each user can use Office across Macs, Windows, iPhones and iPads.

It’s the same price as Dropbox’s 2TB plan and all you get for that is storage.

On a related note: Steve Jobs was right - Dropbox is a feature not a product.

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